pinnacle upgrade update
03-09-2007 | 01:08 PM
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yeah confrence call wasn't much but here is the scoop.
attrition is high. they need to higher as much as they can for the forseeable. they will be upgrading apprx 40 capts a month. pay will be 150% for time picked up out of opentime.
upgrade is a hard 3000tt,, no deals, which is good. he said they are trying to grow the pinnacle side of flying with larger jets.
attrition is high. they need to higher as much as they can for the forseeable. they will be upgrading apprx 40 capts a month. pay will be 150% for time picked up out of opentime.
upgrade is a hard 3000tt,, no deals, which is good. he said they are trying to grow the pinnacle side of flying with larger jets.
03-09-2007 | 01:23 PM
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Why is that "good"?
If you are hired at 9E with 1000tt, that means you'll have about 3 years at a minimum before you are even eligible to upgrade. That means if there aren't enough qualified to upgrade, QOL drops due to short staffing and possible street captains. If minimums were just slightly reduced to ICAO requirements (2500tt) that would open up a larger pool of upgrade candidates and provide a MUCH NEEDED payraise to Pinnacle FOs.
The more summers and winters one flies through the better captain they are going to be...but I would think after 2+ years in the airplane somebody would be more than capable to pass upgrade and be a safe captain.
If you are hired at 9E with 1000tt, that means you'll have about 3 years at a minimum before you are even eligible to upgrade. That means if there aren't enough qualified to upgrade, QOL drops due to short staffing and possible street captains. If minimums were just slightly reduced to ICAO requirements (2500tt) that would open up a larger pool of upgrade candidates and provide a MUCH NEEDED payraise to Pinnacle FOs.
The more summers and winters one flies through the better captain they are going to be...but I would think after 2+ years in the airplane somebody would be more than capable to pass upgrade and be a safe captain.
03-09-2007 | 02:04 PM
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PS: a buddy of mine thats just getting onto IOE there told me the captain mins had dropped to 1500 TT, but that sounded a bit fishy to me. I saw the hard 3,000 TT in an earlier post. Clarification??
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03-09-2007 | 02:16 PM
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so, if there is an FO that came in with 3,000 hrs., but has a seniority number of 100 for example, and all the FOs above him (1-99) all have like 2,999 or less TT, and it's upgrade time... that 3,000 hr guy will be jumping in line ahead of those other 99 people? just curious..
03-09-2007 | 02:58 PM
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so, if there is an FO that came in with 3,000 hrs., but has a seniority number of 100 for example, and all the FOs above him (1-99) all have like 2,999 or less TT, and it's upgrade time... that 3,000 hr guy will be jumping in line ahead of those other 99 people? just curious..
In your case, yes, this 3000 F/O will upgrade to captain provided his seniority can hold it.
But no matter, as soon as those F/Os above him (more seniority with the company) get their 3000TT, they can upgrade and will always be more senior, in the scheduling sense.
That's why a few of the street captain hires were on reserve a long time. All the Gulfstreamers and F/Os were upgrading and had seniority above the number the street captains had.
That's my understanding.
03-09-2007 | 03:13 PM
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I just heard the whole conference call. As far as pilots they tried to downplay the problems they were having with attrition in their presentation. The President even went as far as to say Pinnacle attracts highly trained pilots because we fly the CRJ, jet and all glass cockpit, we'll have no trouble attracting pilots. However when someone asked for clarification they did say that with the current attrition they expect fines from NWA and at the best possible hiring rate which they even said it's not probable the earliest they'll come to a stabilized work force will be by September, that's if the training department works non stop starting now.
03-09-2007 | 04:10 PM
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Why is that "good"?
If you are hired at 9E with 1000tt, that means you'll have about 3 years at a minimum before you are even eligible to upgrade. That means if there aren't enough qualified to upgrade, QOL drops due to short staffing and possible street captains. If minimums were just slightly reduced to ICAO requirements (2500tt) that would open up a larger pool of upgrade candidates and provide a MUCH NEEDED payraise to Pinnacle FOs.
The more summers and winters one flies through the better captain they are going to be...but I would think after 2+ years in the airplane somebody would be more than capable to pass upgrade and be a safe captain.
If you are hired at 9E with 1000tt, that means you'll have about 3 years at a minimum before you are even eligible to upgrade. That means if there aren't enough qualified to upgrade, QOL drops due to short staffing and possible street captains. If minimums were just slightly reduced to ICAO requirements (2500tt) that would open up a larger pool of upgrade candidates and provide a MUCH NEEDED payraise to Pinnacle FOs.
The more summers and winters one flies through the better captain they are going to be...but I would think after 2+ years in the airplane somebody would be more than capable to pass upgrade and be a safe captain.
03-09-2007 | 04:14 PM
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so, if there is an FO that came in with 3,000 hrs., but has a seniority number of 100 for example, and all the FOs above him (1-99) all have like 2,999 or less TT, and it's upgrade time... that 3,000 hr guy will be jumping in line ahead of those other 99 people? just curious..
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