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AA regionals: $30k retention bonus, $70k flow

Old 09-30-2021 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Slow2Final
I just keep wondering how effective it'll even be in the short term.
From the anecdotal evidence I've gathered from talking to people with more/less seniority than I - everyone is bailing out as fast as possible.

Funny thing that almost everyone seems to agree on - if they would have cranked up the flow they probably could have kept everyone from bailing without throwing money out at us AND had a line out the door of people that would flow in ~5 years instead of 10 :huge shrug: but hey what the f^&* do we know...
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Old 09-30-2021 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by JayBee
From the anecdotal evidence I've gathered from talking to people with more/less seniority than I - everyone is bailing out as fast as possible.

Funny thing that almost everyone seems to agree on - if they would have cranked up the flow they probably could have kept everyone from bailing without throwing money out at us AND had a line out the door of people that would flow in ~5 years instead of 10 :huge shrug: but hey what the f^&* do we know...
I just work here...
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Old 10-07-2021 | 08:14 AM
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I'm near atp mins and I 100% want to go to an AA WO.

Having a hard time choosing between the three.

Can someone give me the pros and cons of each? And which one has the slowest flow, and fastest flow?
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Old 10-07-2021 | 08:19 AM
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Flow speed is 1) not a reasonable metric to pick 2) not reasonably forseeable now anyway

look at flow as career insurance. You have a backstop against being a regional lifer but it is NOT plan A
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Old 10-07-2021 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
Flow speed is 1) not a reasonable metric to pick 2) not reasonably forseeable now anyway

look at flow as career insurance. You have a backstop against being a regional lifer but it is NOT plan A
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Most people forget the other benefit. At airlines with a flow, there is "guaranteed" attrition at the top to keep the list moving. You know that you will always be working yourself towards a captains seat (as long as something like COVID doesn't stop all hiring again). Some airlines see most of their attrition from the middle or bottom of the list. With a flow, you know that there will always be at least a good percentage of movement off of the top of the list.
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Old 10-07-2021 | 09:46 AM
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All regionals going forward are going to have attrition higher than any flow and with practically the same “guarantee”. Flows don’t work if mainline ain’t hiring.
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Old 10-10-2021 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by RandomPilotDude
I'm near atp mins and I 100% want to go to an AA WO.

Having a hard time choosing between the three.

Can someone give me the pros and cons of each? And which one has the slowest flow, and fastest flow?
First, more than one has to give you a job offer before you have a choice.

Second, assuming you have a choice, pick the one that lets you live in base, or has a base you're willing to move to and not resent it.

There are LOTS of reasons to go to a WO apart from flow, first being the money they seem to want to throw at us, second being the non rev benefits, which will be far and away better that a SKW or RAH assuming you're traveling in the AA system. Loads still suck, but hey, that's revenue.

More than ever, flow rate for new hires shouldn't even be in the top 5 factors of consideration, because there is SO MUCH happening right now between mainline hiring and COVID shenanigan's. Not only that, but the topic of which LCC my FO should bail to comes up with pretty much every FO I fly with.
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Old 10-10-2021 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer
First, more than one has to give you a job offer before you have a choice.
There are LOTS of reasons to go to a WO apart from flow, first being the money they seem to want to throw at us, second being the non rev benefits, which will be far and away better that a SKW or RAH assuming you're traveling in the AA system. Loads still suck, but hey, that's revenue.
could you explain this in more detail please? I understand that a WO pilot is considered the same as a mainline pilot when it comes to standby travel and that its check in based not senority. But what does that mean for a Republic pilot who wants to fly standby on AA. where does he fall in?
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Old 10-10-2021 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Macchi30
could you explain this in more detail please? I understand that a WO pilot is considered the same as a mainline pilot when it comes to standby travel and that its check in based not senority. But what does that mean for a Republic pilot who wants to fly standby on AA. where does he fall in?
At the very bottom. Under just about everyone else. If they can put a bag in the seat, they will, before they put a RJET pilot there.

Even with the best travel benefits (which the AA WO have), it is very difficult to non-rev right now. Commuting is terrible. But trying to commute off-line is unbearable. I have seen pilots list for 5-6 fights between hubs and still not get a seat. They spend all day trying to commute and still not get on.
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Old 10-10-2021 | 10:10 AM
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In particular offline jumpseaters are junior to retirees, parents and buddy passes. (Although eligible for the actual jumpseat which sometimes helps)
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