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Old 05-17-2009 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TurboDog
That use to be the way. I have had 5 people call me this week asking me questions about everything that they are seeing on the news. Talking about driving for vacations this summer instead of flying. I think you would be surprised if you paid a little attention as to just how much in tune those people that keep food on your table really are.

For once the media is doing OK on this one, and Death is a pretty good persuasion for the traveling public to us their perception skills.
They're not puttng any food on my table, that's for sure...
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Old 05-17-2009 | 05:51 PM
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JB apparently said most likely more furloughs in the fall.
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Old 05-17-2009 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TurboDog
That use to be the way. I have had 5 people call me this week asking me questions about everything that they are seeing on the news. . .
I have to side with Andy on this one.

People are, in general, mindless sheep that will follow only the headlines and those are quickly fading away. So, I doubt very seriously this will have much affect on travel numbers.

The public will still choose the cheaper option. And the cheaper option is still you and me flying our little planes to little towns for little pay.
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Old 05-17-2009 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by On Autopilot
Hey guys, I was looking on another site and someone posted that S. B. said about 300 more guys on the street this fall. Any truth to the rumor? That would put a total of 500+ on the street.

Hope this is not true.
300 + 297 = 597. that's roughly 42% of the pilot list on furlough.

Of course when they've cleaned out all the junior guys from JFnK, another 300 guys will need to go to take their place.

Plus another 150 Captains displaced to the right seat. Which means another 150 senior Captains to JFnK to replace those 150 junior captains that wind up displaced to the right seat and can bid back to Cincy. And then an additional 150 junior FOs get bounced to JFnK to make room for the displaced JFnK Captains who come back to CVG as FOs.

Good thing we didn't bring back any furloughed pilots to help with the current staffing shortage. That would require training. Like there's no training when they furlough...
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Old 05-17-2009 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
300 + 297 = 597. that's roughly 42% of the pilot list on furlough.
Can anybody think of an airline, ever, that has furloughed almost half its pilot group and then recalled them all?
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Old 05-17-2009 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Can anybody think of an airline, ever, that has furloughed almost half its pilot group and then recalled them all?
Sadly, not a one. When over half are gone, in my experience, it NEVER bodes well.
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Old 05-18-2009 | 03:46 AM
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Well Mesaba did start its decline with the bankruptcy at about 950 pilots. 226 were furloughed. At the end of the bankruptcy all 226 were offered recall. I left at about 890 and came back at about 590. There were about 70 of us that took recall. So you can do the math on how many people just up and quit in addition to the recalls that didn't come back. At the bottom I think our seniority list had shrunk to about 550 or so..... That's almost half gone at the bottom, we have been built back up to about 1150, for now. Though that's still not as much as our peak 10 years ago. I guess technically that wasn't a furlough of half, but it was a loss of about half.

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Old 05-18-2009 | 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by TurboDog
I would also imagine that Delta is timing the parking of MD-80's or DC9's around that time as well. We will have fall trickle down in hours + overall travel being down. Now add to that all of the public that is getting freaked out over the "too tired and inexperienced" regional airline pilots and I see numbers drastically reducing until things change.
As a former 10 yr comair guy who got his parole to NWA and now with the new Delta, I thought I could comment on this. From what Daddy Delta is telling us is that the 9's and 88's are going to return as Queens of the fleet, not my words theirs. I think we have about 15 maybe a few more 9's in Delta colors. Most of them, the-9's, are set to retire sometime in 2013 or 14. As for the 88's I am not sure but they seem to be on the same plan. We were also told that they are trying to find a replacement for the dc-9, most likely the md-90, we should have 3 on property by the end of the year. They were also looking at the "c" series. I am sorry that Comair is such a crappy place to be working at, trust me I know. I did have some good yrs their, but my best veiw of CVG is at fl 350.
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Old 05-18-2009 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by INAV8OR
As a former 10 yr comair guy who got his parole to NWA and now with the new Delta, I thought I could comment on this. From what Daddy Delta is telling us is that the 9's and 88's are going to return as Queens of the fleet, not my words theirs. I think we have about 15 maybe a few more 9's in Delta colors. Most of them, the-9's, are set to retire sometime in 2013 or 14. As for the 88's I am not sure but they seem to be on the same plan. We were also told that they are trying to find a replacement for the dc-9, most likely the md-90, we should have 3 on property by the end of the year. They were also looking at the "c" series. I am sorry that Comair is such a crappy place to be working at, trust me I know. I did have some good yrs their, but my best veiw of CVG is at fl 350.
Thanks for your input. Best wishes with seniority integration.
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Old 05-18-2009 | 08:00 PM
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I am trying to understand this staffing situation. So I am bored on my second week of vacation and I decided to pull up the reserve list. I notice there are 4 or 5 lucky contestants sitting at over 85 hours projected for the month. ***? I always get stuck with out & backs and readys and never get close to the mythical "guarantee." But I have made $1800/month after taxes the last few months on 3rd year pay. Just living the dream!

I think common sense goes right out the door when running an airline. Never seen anything like it. Oh wait our current president has set the bar high for running something into the ground.

I am finished with my rant. Back to miller lites and vacationing!
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