Ominous

I'm glad you can admit a mistake and show the valuable lesson gained from it. It speaks of your character.

As for your second question, I have no earthly idea. I guess we'll never know.

On Autopilot

No. Was hired with the assurance that once that lawsuit with Mesa was settled and Delta was going to start giving us new A/C, pilot hiring would resume. So I took a job as a C/S.

Of course, Delta had other plans for us involving deception, lying, sodomy and inspiration from this movie.......

http://youtu.be/9gLN3QoN-q8

And from some of the few that are still there I'm told they are working the hell out of everyone left there aside from the State of KY trying to screw them out of UI.

Funny, I always wondered why on the application Delta asked us if we were open to "alternative" copulation practices involving coereced rear entry........

Other than that Comair was a great company to work for. I was treated extremely well. I hate what Delta is doing to them because those guys stood up to corporate slavery. Can't blame anyone who has 50+ lives in there hands and makes less than a worker at Mickey D's asking for dignity by bieng paid more.

Boomer

Let me get this straight...

Comair raises the bar for regional pay and benefits in 2001 and Delta punishes us = Karma

Comair votes for a pay freeze in 2005 and Delta punishes us = Karma

What would you do if you were at Comair? What would you do to outwit the beancounters at Delta, who are apparently the ones in charge of handing out Karma?

Ominous

No, never said that. Please copy and paste a post where I referenced this.

Precisely.

So now it is the Delta bean counters' fault that Comair pilots voted in favor of the TA which resulted in airframes being moved from one airline who was in contract negotiations (and had fully supported Comair pilots in their negotiations) to Comair in order to satisfy said TA?

You serious Clark?


Unfortunately for Comair, the pilots were sold a very short-sighted bag of tricks by the MEC (read: JC) at the time. The ASA MEC (read: Bob Arnold, a personal friend) would have never fallen for such a thing, which was advised to the Comair MEC by BA himself. The Comair pilots thought for sure they were getting "real" airliners with that TA (emb170), and all they got were used ASA 50 seat rj's. The pilots bit, and then they were bitten.... That is karma. Again, we were only discussing the posts referring to Comair tails at other airlines.

Are you quite finished? Can we move on from this issue to more pressing ones like..............................

Boomer

I guess we're finished. I can't figure out what you mean by Karma since I still don't understand why Delta hoodwinking us and putting three ASA aircraft on our certificate means we deserve the mess we're in now.

makersmarc

I was there for that vote, and I can assure you that you are quite mistaken. For one, when you begin a statement with "The Comair pilots thought for sure..." you reveal yourself to be nothing more than a presumptuous ass.

On Autopilot

Don't forget when Fast Freddy had a show and tell with those E's. Went something like "If you guys vote for this well lookie here at what you'll get".

If it wasn't for the Comair pilots who raised the bar, where would the regionals be? They stood up against Corporate Slavery, Delta/Dildo can suck it!!!

mumu

Arguing with "Ominous" is about as sane as this:

Boomer

That looks a little like a Chevy Chase haircut.

KingAirKiddo

I voted for the "freeze" LOA. I personally viewed it as "poor man's scope" at the time. It was fairly obvious that DL was headed for Chapter 11 at that time and my thought process was that if we went in with a signed agreement that said OH was to maintain a certain number of aircraft, then there would be at least some semblance of job protection. You didn't have too be a beancounter to determine how badly we were being underbid by our peers at every other DCI carrier and if a two year freeze gave everyone else time to catch up to our contract while maintaining a minimum fleet, then I viewed it as a positive overall. Obviously, with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight I know that it was wrong. I certanly didn't count on DL raping us as badly as they did in BK and in the years since.

Anyway, just a little insight into my one "yes" vote. Thanks for the walk down memory lane... ;-)