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02-17-2014, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by On Autopilot
You can try to argue that point but look at what he did to Endeavour (Pinnacle) trying to force a concessionary contract on them (poverty wages) at a time when Delta is making RECORD PROFITS. Did he not say that if Endeavour didn't accept the contract they would become the next Comair?
How did RA force that contract on 9E pilots? Was RA the CEO of 9E? Is he now? And was that contract imposed on 9E pilots? Or was it ratified by the 9E pilot group?
02-17-2014, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
How did RA force that contract on 9E pilots? Was RA the CEO of 9E? Is he now? And was that contract imposed on 9E pilots? Or was it ratified by the 9E pilot group?
The straw that broke the camel's back at 9E was Delta withholding training costs they agreed to pay. You don't think Delta could force most of their DCI partners into BK within months if they wanted? Why do you think the first JCBA at 9E (one of the top contracts at the time) after the merger was finished in a matter of months despite the original 9E group being in negations for 6 years? It is surprising that you are selling RA and your current management team so short now after singing such high praises of them in the past.
02-17-2014, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
In the past you couldn't say enough good things about the guy, you practically worship him. Now you are saying you don't think he is smart enough to force 9E in bankruptcy? You always give him so much credit for being so smart in other aspects of the Delta enterprise.
The straw that broke the camel's back at 9E was Delta withholding training costs they agreed to pay. You don't think Delta could force most of their DCI partners into BK within months if they wanted? Why do you think the first JCBA at 9E (one of the top contracts at the time) after the merger was finished in a matter of months despite the original 9E group being in negations for 6 years? It is surprising that you are selling RA and your current management team so short now after singing such high praises of them in the past.
The straw that broke the camel's back at 9E was Delta withholding training costs they agreed to pay. You don't think Delta could force most of their DCI partners into BK within months if they wanted? Why do you think the first JCBA at 9E (one of the top contracts at the time) after the merger was finished in a matter of months despite the original 9E group being in negations for 6 years? It is surprising that you are selling RA and your current management team so short now after singing such high praises of them in the past.
Richard Anderson is a fantastic airline manager. He might honestly be the best CEO in history. Good labor relations, record profits, and an airline that people want to fly on.
02-17-2014, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by On Autopilot
You can try to argue that point but look at what he did to Endeavour (Pinnacle) trying to force a concessionary contract on them (poverty wages) at a time when Delta is making RECORD PROFITS. Did he not say that if Endeavour didn't accept the contract they would become the next Comair?
02-17-2014, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
How did RA force that contract on 9E pilots? Was RA the CEO of 9E? Is he now? And was that contract imposed on 9E pilots? Or was it ratified by the 9E pilot group?
02-17-2014, 06:55 PM
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Why do pilots call for unity when there is still a double standard and discriminatory practices still in affect? My question, how can we have true unity without across the board EQUALITY? Not meaning to throw stones but mistakes made by mainline pilots, showing up drunk, landing at wrong airports or taxiway, you name it....etc I and most regional pilots do not hold the entire body of mainline pilots accountable for the mistakes of so few. Such is not the case for regionals. We still have those so called undesirables or perceived incompetence of some regional pilots so that makes the majority must be incompetent and not equal to a mainline pilot. There's a double standard.
I did not have the privilege to be a Comair pilot. Some time ago I read in AW&ST mag that based on RPM Comair could have been considered a major airline. We all know what happened when Comair pilots tried to go by "single carrier status"and date of hire seniority. But Western Airlines and NWA did not have problems like Comair pilots when they merged. Even if you (a regional pilot) are not a threat to a mainline pilots seniority they still will use what ever means possible to prevent regional pilots from receiving equal treatment. It isn't a merger, similar gage equipment or what ever bla, bla, bla or anything they can come up with.
Even agreements that are on the books are NOT honored. Mesaba pilots had a flow agreement with NWA. After DAL/NWA merger DAL did not honor that agreement except for a mere few. You think that would happen like that if Mesaba was a major? Tell me if I am wrong but as it stands now any major can buy a regional and throw the pilots to the curb. (Pretty much what DAL did to Comair) At least the mainline pilots have the Mcaskill Bond Amendment to protect them do regional pilots? What else would you call this and the before mentioned but discrimination?
In UNITY right?
I did not have the privilege to be a Comair pilot. Some time ago I read in AW&ST mag that based on RPM Comair could have been considered a major airline. We all know what happened when Comair pilots tried to go by "single carrier status"and date of hire seniority. But Western Airlines and NWA did not have problems like Comair pilots when they merged. Even if you (a regional pilot) are not a threat to a mainline pilots seniority they still will use what ever means possible to prevent regional pilots from receiving equal treatment. It isn't a merger, similar gage equipment or what ever bla, bla, bla or anything they can come up with.
Even agreements that are on the books are NOT honored. Mesaba pilots had a flow agreement with NWA. After DAL/NWA merger DAL did not honor that agreement except for a mere few. You think that would happen like that if Mesaba was a major? Tell me if I am wrong but as it stands now any major can buy a regional and throw the pilots to the curb. (Pretty much what DAL did to Comair) At least the mainline pilots have the Mcaskill Bond Amendment to protect them do regional pilots? What else would you call this and the before mentioned but discrimination?
In UNITY right?
02-17-2014, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jethikoki
Why do pilots call for unity when there is still a double standard and discriminatory practices still in affect? My question, how can we have true unity without across the board EQUALITY? Not meaning to throw stones but mistakes made by mainline pilots, showing up drunk, landing at wrong airports or taxiway, you name it....etc I and most regional pilots do not hold the entire body of mainline pilots accountable for the mistakes of so few. Such is not the case for regionals. We still have those so called undesirables or perceived incompetence of some regional pilots so that makes the majority must be incompetent and not equal to a mainline pilot. There's a double standard.
I did not have the privilege to be a Comair pilot. Some time ago I read in AW&ST mag that based on RPM Comair could have been considered a major airline. We all know what happened when Comair pilots tried to go by "single carrier status"and date of hire seniority. But Western Airlines and NWA did not have problems like Comair pilots when they merged. Even if you (a regional pilot) are not a threat to a mainline pilots seniority they still will use what ever means possible to prevent regional pilots from receiving equal treatment. It isn't a merger, similar gage equipment or what ever bla, bla, bla or anything they can come up with.
Even agreements that are on the books are NOT honored. Mesaba pilots had a flow agreement with NWA. After DAL/NWA merger DAL did not honor that agreement except for a mere few. You think that would happen like that if Mesaba was a major? Tell me if I am wrong but as it stands now any major can buy a regional and throw the pilots to the curb. (Pretty much what DAL did to Comair) At least the mainline pilots have the Mcaskill Bond Amendment to protect them do regional pilots? What else would you call this and the before mentioned but discrimination?
In UNITY right?
I did not have the privilege to be a Comair pilot. Some time ago I read in AW&ST mag that based on RPM Comair could have been considered a major airline. We all know what happened when Comair pilots tried to go by "single carrier status"and date of hire seniority. But Western Airlines and NWA did not have problems like Comair pilots when they merged. Even if you (a regional pilot) are not a threat to a mainline pilots seniority they still will use what ever means possible to prevent regional pilots from receiving equal treatment. It isn't a merger, similar gage equipment or what ever bla, bla, bla or anything they can come up with.
Even agreements that are on the books are NOT honored. Mesaba pilots had a flow agreement with NWA. After DAL/NWA merger DAL did not honor that agreement except for a mere few. You think that would happen like that if Mesaba was a major? Tell me if I am wrong but as it stands now any major can buy a regional and throw the pilots to the curb. (Pretty much what DAL did to Comair) At least the mainline pilots have the Mcaskill Bond Amendment to protect them do regional pilots? What else would you call this and the before mentioned but discrimination?
In UNITY right?
The issue is who is to blame for the loss of mainline careers to regional jets, and what can we learn from those mistakes. The answer is pilot greed, and the solution is unity of mainline pilots, and only mainline pilots. The debatable "good years" accustomed pilots to contract gains, which, the LCC's, economy, and high oil prices dried up. Special interest groups hijacked the union, and decided to subjugate labor law protections in order to sell jobs to gain contract bonuses, and fund broken pension funds. So here we are.
02-18-2014, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by DMEarc
The cockiness of Delta and their employees is nauseating, but ....
Richard Anderson is a fantastic airline manager. He might honestly be the best CEO in history. Good labor relations, record profits, and an airline that people want to fly on.
Richard Anderson is a fantastic airline manager. He might honestly be the best CEO in history. Good labor relations, record profits, and an airline that people want to fly on.
02-18-2014, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
In the past you couldn't say enough good things about the guy, you practically worship him. Now you are saying you don't think he is smart enough to force 9E in bankruptcy? You always give him so much credit for being so smart in other aspects of the Delta enterprise.
The straw that broke the camel's back at 9E was Delta withholding training costs they agreed to pay. You don't think Delta could force most of their DCI partners into BK within months if they wanted? Why do you think the first JCBA at 9E (one of the top contracts at the time) after the merger was finished in a matter of months despite the original 9E group being in negations for 6 years? It is surprising that you are selling RA and your current management team so short now after singing such high praises of them in the past.
The straw that broke the camel's back at 9E was Delta withholding training costs they agreed to pay. You don't think Delta could force most of their DCI partners into BK within months if they wanted? Why do you think the first JCBA at 9E (one of the top contracts at the time) after the merger was finished in a matter of months despite the original 9E group being in negations for 6 years? It is surprising that you are selling RA and your current management team so short now after singing such high praises of them in the past.
So after years of mis-management , it was all RA that forced 9E into BK? And 9E pilots didn't approve the current contract?
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