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Why do pilots call for unity when there is still a double standard and discriminatory practices still in affect? My question, how can we have true unity without across the board EQUALITY? Not meaning to throw stones but mistakes made by mainline pilots, showing up drunk, landing at wrong airports or taxiway, you name it....etc I and most regional pilots do not hold the entire body of mainline pilots accountable for the mistakes of so few. Such is not the case for regionals. We still have those so called undesirables or perceived incompetence of some regional pilots so that makes the majority must be incompetent and not equal to a mainline pilot. There's a double standard.
I did not have the privilege to be a Comair pilot. Some time ago I read in AW&ST mag that based on RPM Comair could have been considered a major airline. We all know what happened when Comair pilots tried to go by "single carrier status"and date of hire seniority. But Western Airlines and NWA did not have problems like Comair pilots when they merged. Even if you (a regional pilot) are not a threat to a mainline pilots seniority they still will use what ever means possible to prevent regional pilots from receiving equal treatment. It isn't a merger, similar gage equipment or what ever bla, bla, bla or anything they can come up with.
Even agreements that are on the books are NOT honored. Mesaba pilots had a flow agreement with NWA. After DAL/NWA merger DAL did not honor that agreement except for a mere few. You think that would happen like that if Mesaba was a major? Tell me if I am wrong but as it stands now any major can buy a regional and throw the pilots to the curb. (Pretty much what DAL did to Comair) At least the mainline pilots have the Mcaskill Bond Amendment to protect them do regional pilots? What else would you call this and the before mentioned but discrimination?
In UNITY right?
I did not have the privilege to be a Comair pilot. Some time ago I read in AW&ST mag that based on RPM Comair could have been considered a major airline. We all know what happened when Comair pilots tried to go by "single carrier status"and date of hire seniority. But Western Airlines and NWA did not have problems like Comair pilots when they merged. Even if you (a regional pilot) are not a threat to a mainline pilots seniority they still will use what ever means possible to prevent regional pilots from receiving equal treatment. It isn't a merger, similar gage equipment or what ever bla, bla, bla or anything they can come up with.
Even agreements that are on the books are NOT honored. Mesaba pilots had a flow agreement with NWA. After DAL/NWA merger DAL did not honor that agreement except for a mere few. You think that would happen like that if Mesaba was a major? Tell me if I am wrong but as it stands now any major can buy a regional and throw the pilots to the curb. (Pretty much what DAL did to Comair) At least the mainline pilots have the Mcaskill Bond Amendment to protect them do regional pilots? What else would you call this and the before mentioned but discrimination?
In UNITY right?
The issue is who is to blame for the loss of mainline careers to regional jets, and what can we learn from those mistakes. The answer is pilot greed, and the solution is unity of mainline pilots, and only mainline pilots. The debatable "good years" accustomed pilots to contract gains, which, the LCC's, economy, and high oil prices dried up. Special interest groups hijacked the union, and decided to subjugate labor law protections in order to sell jobs to gain contract bonuses, and fund broken pension funds. So here we are.
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Cockiness of Delta's employees? Based on what? Should I assume that all pre-merger CAL pilots will sell their vacation while pilots are furloughed simply because a few at CAL pilots did so? Or that all CAL pilots will try to scam retirement money out of CAL because a small group did so? Or that all CAL CAs would fly right seat while fellow pilots are on the street?
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In the past you couldn't say enough good things about the guy, you practically worship him. Now you are saying you don't think he is smart enough to force 9E in bankruptcy? You always give him so much credit for being so smart in other aspects of the Delta enterprise.
The straw that broke the camel's back at 9E was Delta withholding training costs they agreed to pay. You don't think Delta could force most of their DCI partners into BK within months if they wanted? Why do you think the first JCBA at 9E (one of the top contracts at the time) after the merger was finished in a matter of months despite the original 9E group being in negations for 6 years? It is surprising that you are selling RA and your current management team so short now after singing such high praises of them in the past.
The straw that broke the camel's back at 9E was Delta withholding training costs they agreed to pay. You don't think Delta could force most of their DCI partners into BK within months if they wanted? Why do you think the first JCBA at 9E (one of the top contracts at the time) after the merger was finished in a matter of months despite the original 9E group being in negations for 6 years? It is surprising that you are selling RA and your current management team so short now after singing such high praises of them in the past.
So after years of mis-management , it was all RA that forced 9E into BK? And 9E pilots didn't approve the current contract?
If I could just make an observation, it really won't matter if this is true or not.
It seems that the legacy airlines are usually either all doing relatively well, or are all precariously close to bankruptcy.When they are all close to bankruptcy they are searching for the magic management team miracle to bring them to solvency.When times are good they are all hailed as management geniuses.If Leo Mullin were in charge right now it would be his turn to be the genius.
Just sayin'.
It seems that the legacy airlines are usually either all doing relatively well, or are all precariously close to bankruptcy.When they are all close to bankruptcy they are searching for the magic management team miracle to bring them to solvency.When times are good they are all hailed as management geniuses.If Leo Mullin were in charge right now it would be his turn to be the genius.
Just sayin'.
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Since we are going over so much of the history of Comair's demise what about the loss of MCO flying?
Was it a concessionary contract "to receive extra jets" that got DL to put CHQ in there?
I recall rumors from that time that pilot groups were taking concessions to take planes from other regionals. If that is correct I find it amazing it was not just the companies pushing the race to the bottom.
I am thankful at least two regional pilot groups have voted down concessions recently. Hopefully others will follow and not pull a CHQ (if that is what happened over there)
Was it a concessionary contract "to receive extra jets" that got DL to put CHQ in there?
I recall rumors from that time that pilot groups were taking concessions to take planes from other regionals. If that is correct I find it amazing it was not just the companies pushing the race to the bottom.
I am thankful at least two regional pilot groups have voted down concessions recently. Hopefully others will follow and not pull a CHQ (if that is what happened over there)
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Cockiness of Delta's employees? Based on what? Should I assume that all pre-merger CAL pilots will sell their vacation while pilots are furloughed simply because a few at CAL pilots did so? Or that all CAL pilots will try to scam retirement money out of CAL because a small group did so? Or that all CAL CAs would fly right seat while fellow pilots are on the street?
We need to be helping the regional pilots behind us. Just because we had it more difficult doesn't mean everyone should. We need to be striving to get every regional pilot on the mainline seniority list. That is the only way to get all regional feed back in house.
If I could just make an observation, it really won't matter if this is true or not.
It seems that the legacy airlines are usually either all doing relatively well, or are all precariously close to bankruptcy.When they are all close to bankruptcy they are searching for the magic management team miracle to bring them to solvency.When times are good they are all hailed as management geniuses.If Leo Mullin were in charge right now it would be his turn to be the genius.
Just sayin'.
It seems that the legacy airlines are usually either all doing relatively well, or are all precariously close to bankruptcy.When they are all close to bankruptcy they are searching for the magic management team miracle to bring them to solvency.When times are good they are all hailed as management geniuses.If Leo Mullin were in charge right now it would be his turn to be the genius.
Just sayin'.
Interesting, I had no idea that NWA bought DL....
BTW, all this reminiscing about the JC letter reminds me of an infamous letter to the editor in the local Cincinnati fish-wrapper written by a CMR pilot at the height of their best years...it said something to the affect that DL pilots were greedy and grossly overpaid, and that was going to pave the way to their demise, and the continued ascendancy of Comair....anyone else remember that letter?
BTW, all this reminiscing about the JC letter reminds me of an infamous letter to the editor in the local Cincinnati fish-wrapper written by a CMR pilot at the height of their best years...it said something to the affect that DL pilots were greedy and grossly overpaid, and that was going to pave the way to their demise, and the continued ascendancy of Comair....anyone else remember that letter?
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Sadly, as in the aftermath of JC letter, few (if any) stepped up to counter that peculiar prevailing wisdom....The argument the writer espoused certainly did not represent the view of "all Comair pilots", but ostensibly too many.
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