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Old 04-01-2008 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by cessna157
I agree that a lot of guys got used to the flaps being at 20 even before they taxi out, but that's why we use checklists, to prevent us from missing something. Attempting to take off with the flaps up shows that the crew is not using checklists at all.

Here's my questions:
1) Taxi check: "Flaps" How are both pilots missing that the lever is set to up and the indicator is at 0
2) Before takeoff: "Hydraulics" How is the f/o missing that half of the pumps are not on
3) Line up: "Takeoff Config" Now this is the easy one. Is the message there or isn't it? If it ain't, don't go anywhere.

I'm sorry, but I just don't understand how we're still screwing this up. I heard we're up to 16 times now?

I wish I were as good of a pilot as you are.

For the record, I have not had this happen to me (attempting to takeoff with flaps at 0), but I have always found it extremely difficult and very arrogant to be critical of other pilots. You don't always know all the circumstances that lead to a certain error, failure, missed checklist, etc... Unless you have been in that situation or were sitting in the jumpseat when it happened, try not to be over critical.

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Old 04-01-2008 | 05:38 PM
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Not an april Fools Joke.
Mesa Air says to fight Delta plan to quit contract
Tuesday April 1, 9:22 pm ET

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Mesa Air Group Inc (NasdaqGS:MESA - News) on Tuesday said it plans to contest Delta Air Lines Inc's (NYSEAL - News) plan to terminate a contract with its Freedom Airlines Inc unit.

Phoenix-based Mesa said Delta notified it on March 28 of its intent to terminate a connection agreement with Freedom dated May 3, 2005.

It said Delta alleged that Freedom failed to complete a specified number of flights on ERJ-145 jets during three months of the six-month period ending Feb 2008. Mesa said the notice would allow Freedom to keep providing connection services to Delta while the airlines work out a "transition agreement."
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Old 04-01-2008 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by RJtrashPilot
What are people posting? Videos from the cockpit (landings and takeoffs) or something in response to that juvenile, high school-esque Mesa video about how Mesa pilots are better than Comair pilots?
Any video including Cockpit. I know of one crew that is in truoble now for posting the video.

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Old 04-01-2008 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by flycrj200
Any video including Cockpit. I new of one crew that is in truoble now for posting the video.
new, knew or know?
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Old 04-01-2008 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueMoon
new, knew or know?
Sorry, it's the wine. Know.
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Old 04-01-2008 | 08:30 PM
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It's about time Freedom got the shaft! Now let's get those Freedom -900s on Comair property, too.
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Old 04-01-2008 | 08:39 PM
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I hope we get more flying out of this.
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Old 04-02-2008 | 03:42 AM
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Looks like our system chief pilot and new D.O. called in sick for 4 days (presumably off of a trip) last week. I wonder who he had to talk to when he called off?
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Old 04-02-2008 | 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by CRJDriver
It's about time Freedom got the shaft! Now let's get those Freedom -900s on Comair property, too.

Guys,

I'm not a freedom cheerleader here but be careful of dancing on someone else's grave.
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Old 04-02-2008 | 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by RJtrashPilot
Looks like our system chief pilot and new D.O. called in sick for 4 days (presumably off of a trip) last week. I wonder who he had to talk to when he called off?
Mayor McCheese
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