RiddleEagle18

Agreed, however freedom(mesa) has now put 2 good airlines out of business(ACA and Aloha) and received tons of regional flying by severely underbidding competition mostly do to subpar pilot and flight attendant wages. Not only that but the fact that they dont even receive block or better. Strictly block out of jfk could you imagine that. All while producing a terrible product for customer service,completion, and on time percentage. Its about time JO got a little bit of his own medicine.

Sad a bunch of pilots may be out of a job true, however agreeing to work for such a scumbag operation has caused far more pilots to loose their jobs.

flycrj200

We've canceled part of our Freedom Airline agreement
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April 2, 2008





We have terminated a portion of our Delta Connection operating agreement with Freedom Airlines because of operational performance of their 50-seat aircraft. The move is effective immediately. Our operating agreement with Freedom for its 14 76-seat aircraft remains intact.

“When we began working with Freedom in October 2005, our goal was to extend the market service of Delta Connection while ensuring a mainline-like experience for our customers,” said Don Bornhorst, s.v.p.-Delta Connection. “Freedom’s agreement with Delta, similar to the agreements with all of our Delta Connection partners, reflects this requirement. We expect the operational pull down to be orderly and have minimal impact to our customers.”

Orlando and New York-JFK handle the majority of Freedom’s daily departures. Most customers will be rebooked through our hubs in Atlanta and Cincinnati. Some former Freedom point-to-point flights may continue and be supported by our other Delta Connection partners.

flycrj200

I would never be happy about a pilot or a flight attendant losing their job, but what about the Aloha people. As of now, all the Mesa employees have jobs, and even if Mesa goes out of business, it will be a little easier for them to find jobs in the mainland. The Aloha employees on the other had are out of luck. Most likely the have to move out of Hawaii to the mainland to find and airline job unless they want to work for GoJets. And remember, the one of the reason we lose flying at Comair to Mesa and Freedom is because their employees agree to work at much lower wages and terrible working conditions that makes Mesa more competitive money wise.

The Chow

I would love to see JO get what's coming to him. However, POC's like him rarely do.....The staff, pilots, FA's mechanics, admins, they'll take the hit. Believe me, i'm not going to miss JO and I hope this resets the bar for how to run an operation, but he'll survive long enough to put someone else's operation in danger.

cessna157

Deos anyone know when the Freedom Embraer shutdown will take place? Has it already happened? Will in be a gradual phase out of the aircraft like CHQ E-135? Or is there a set date in the future that all flights will be shifted?

BlueMoon

no details, Mesa has said they are fighting this....there will be a transition period apparently.

cyrcadian

I think its going to take some time for this to all play out. Justifiably Freedom will put up a fight, however I imagine they won't win this one. Its times like these that DL would benefit from a subsidiary that could jump in at a moments notice and cover unexpected flying. Too bad they don't have anything like that lying around.

BlueMoon

ASA is going to do MCO flying as of right now...as for JFK 50 seater stuff, we may get more routes, but some of this flying will go unfilled as DL has said they are reducing domestic capacity. Gives everyone questions to ask our president on the tele-conference

cyrcadian

You bring up a good point.

I feel many folks in our pilot group are anti-management (duh). More specifically, they are against what management has to say. I think this causes many people to avoid asking questions in the first place because they have a preconceived notion of disagreeing with the answer. I say ask away and keep putting them in the hot seat.

CRJDriver

I think one of the main reasons DL called in quits with Mesa/Freedom is not only becuase of their shi**y on-time performance and completion factors, but I think DL just doesn't want to get all tied up with Mesa and their lawsuits they have going on. Now JO can use all those pilots coming from ERJ to staff his other planes to cover the flying. As far as us getting some flying out of this, I think we will see some additional routes out of JFK that F8 used to fly, especially since we are already there and set up and JFK being a big international gateway for DL.