Well, alrighty then. So, was that money given to basically say "thanks for not voting in a union, so heres a "raise". Curious about the amount, with the "18 month freeze" adjusted for COLA, was it really a raise?

Also, as much as it was a "raise", was it used to help ASA from getting anything industry leading and to just keep them "average"?

 

These questions have been asked and debated several times over the last year. In my opinion yes it was a "thanks for voting down the union" raise and it in NO way came close to matching COLA.

As for your ASA question, I don't know but ASA gained a lot more in their TA than a few $ here and there. The Majority (CR2 & ATR CA’s especially) of their pilots ended up with huge raises while others not so huge. But all of them gained valuable pay structure and soft pay that they never had before. We can debate it one way or the other and although their TA wasn't industry leading, it did match industry leading. I’m not saying that it was right or wrong, good or bad, but it was approved by a very large margin.

 

Yet another thread hijacked into a Union VS. Non union at SKW debate.

 

Everyone,

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If you mean the BS 1% raise for CRJ and nothing for EMB guys, you're right.

If you mean the raise to bring you up to ASA pay, you're wrong.

ASA pilots negotiated the payrates and workrules for both parties. Unfortunately the SkyWest pilots benefited from our work without giving any support in return.

 

Wrong and you're giving your CBA way too much credit. Our new pay rates were voted in due to the failed union vote and yes ASA's new pay rates and only their pay rates, as well as everyone else’s were used in the process. But WE’VE HAD YOUR NEW WORK RULES FOR ALMOST A DECADE now and you just got them.

I mean no offense, just correcting your errors.

 

Don't worry, man. After CHQ buys SKW, we'll let you ASA guys play the XBox 360s we have in our crew rooms. SKW pilots will be relegated to fighting former Compass pilots for the Atari in our bag rooms.

 

ATARI! Rock on! Now I'm showing my age.

 

You have long call reserve and reserve transparency? What about min day and rig pay for reserves? A reserve system that lets you choose whether you want to fly or want to sit at home and do nothing?

How about 700 pay for vacation, training, and guarantee?

How about a seat lock that doesn't apply to aircraft that pay more?

How about turning a week of vacation into 12-14 days straight?

Oh yeah, and we don't have PBS. If we do get it, our union will demand that we share in the cost savings for the company by getting a pay raise or better work rules.

There's more, but I won't bore you with all the details. You fail to understand that work rules encompass more than just min day pay and rigs.

 

No, not yet and Yes.
No because we aren’t stuck flying one set of equipment. Basically this means more efficiency when it comes to pairings and your month. More flying means more to choose from which means better QOL and a choice which we all want. So you can have those few $ and I’ll take my more flying with a choice. Am I 100% happy with what we have...........no and I woould like a CHO instead of a BHO. BTW, do you like 100% of your contract.
Yes, since 1972. Note sarcasm that you’ll never understand.
Easily done. I just turned 8 days of vacation in to 17 off.
Love PBS as do the overwhelming majority of us and as far as the demands, go for it.
Sure and when did you get your daily guarantees, duty rigs, premium pay, Bonuses? Block or better? 100% FULL Cancellation on top of B or B? There are many others but I won’t bore you with all the details. LOL!

Good day and this pi$$ing match is over.