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Old 02-14-2017 | 09:00 AM
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Cpat does seem easy. Just remember you have to learn systems, limitations, flows and memory items. There is alot of stuff to learn in a short time. Use the time off that people complain about 2-4 weeks and learn as much as you can. The few weeks of systems and sim will fly by and will kick yourself if you dont study now. This will be number 6 and they all are fire hoses of information
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Old 02-14-2017 | 11:20 AM
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Thanks for the replies and information everyone.
Looks like the kids won't be getting that all day visit to McD's after all.
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Old 02-14-2017 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MidLife
Everyone has told me doing a jet type rating - systems ground school is firehose drinking. I started the CPAT - didn't seem that bad - am I missing something. Being a 20 yr old design transport category plane, I would think the systems would be byzantine, if anything.
Agree with PDTFlyer - PDT ground was extremely different than my last ground (same plane). Much less of the watch building that I am used to - and good riddance I say. IMO PDT wasn't much of a fire hose - maybe an industrial garden hose. I'm all about learning and knowing your aircraft, but I don't miss my days of "I'm a spark of electricity coming from the GPU, I just got hooked up to the aircraft, tell me the path I'm going to take" Shoot me now

As far as the systems, it is very relative to what you're used to I believe. My previous turbine/advanced a/c time is military RW, so an 'old' 145 seems new and the systems are very automated in comparison. Heck, I believe the hydraulic system is about 5 pages in the AOM. I don't think a fuel and hydraulic system get much simpler.

Also agree with Flynboat - its the whole package that added to the challenge for me. All my time - except about 1000 hours flying IFR single/multi pistons pt 91 corporate - has been in crewed aircraft, but not 121. That was a big mind shift for me. Who's saying what, doing what and when - and saying it correctly to the letter was extremely distracting to me at first. IMO, if you have to devote any mental energy to IFR procedures, you have a chance to dig yourself into a pretty big hole.

Again all just my opinion, but difficult/easy is such a relative thing to the individual that it is really hard to say. Some guys may have never heard of N1/N2 and may struggle with basic systems. Other guys (me) may have never flown planes in a 121 CRM environment, and be spitting out the V2 call as we're sailing through Vfs
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Old 02-14-2017 | 03:11 PM
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Hi everyone! I just put in my application through airlineapps.com last night. How long does it take to get a call or email?
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Old 02-14-2017 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jmm264
Hi everyone! I just put in my application through airlineapps.com last night. How long does it take to get a call or email?


Just PM me your name and I'll be happy to get the right people on it right away.


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Old 02-14-2017 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by PDTFlyer
AQP training is very different from what I've done on the same plane back in 2006. The depth of knowledge we had to have back then was a fire hose. Didn't have that feeling in ground school this time around. Maybe I remember a lot of it from back then. I don't know. Just my .02


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This is 100% accurate. I flew the 145 at TSA for a year and a half before coming here. Systems class there was ten days as oppose to just four here. The depth of systems knowledge you are expected to have here is very different that what we were expected to know at TSA. It's a much lighter knowledge requirement with this AQP training. TSA was a "know everything about everything" airline. Some examiners there were more in depth than others... But we all had to be prepared for the two that wanted reverse engineering. You guys won't have any trouble here. My notes are floating around. Use them and and you'll be 100% covered.
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Old 02-14-2017 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jmm264
Hi everyone! I just put in my application through airlineapps.com last night. How long does it take to get a call or email?
To get a call have a current pilot sponser you. Send a PM to any of us and we would be happy to help.
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Old 02-14-2017 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 60av8tor
Agree with PDTFlyer - PDT ground was extremely different than my last ground (same plane). Much less of the watch building that I am used to - and good riddance I say. IMO PDT wasn't much of a fire hose - maybe an industrial garden hose. I'm all about learning and knowing your aircraft, but I don't miss my days of "I'm a spark of electricity coming from the GPU, I just got hooked up to the aircraft, tell me the path I'm going to take" Shoot me now

As far as the systems, it is very relative to what you're used to I believe. My previous turbine/advanced a/c time is military RW, so an 'old' 145 seems new and the systems are very automated in comparison. Heck, I believe the hydraulic system is about 5 pages in the AOM. I don't think a fuel and hydraulic system get much simpler.

Also agree with Flynboat - its the whole package that added to the challenge for me. All my time - except about 1000 hours flying IFR single/multi pistons pt 91 corporate - has been in crewed aircraft, but not 121. That was a big mind shift for me. Who's saying what, doing what and when - and saying it correctly to the letter was extremely distracting to me at first. IMO, if you have to devote any mental energy to IFR procedures, you have a chance to dig yourself into a pretty big hole.

Again all just my opinion, but difficult/easy is such a relative thing to the individual that it is really hard to say. Some guys may have never heard of N1/N2 and may struggle with basic systems. Other guys (me) may have never flown planes in a 121 CRM environment, and be spitting out the V2 call as we're sailing through Vfs
Great post. Thank you!
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Old 02-15-2017 | 07:56 AM
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Hello,
I am new to the forums and wanted to thank those that have been posting as the information being shared is much appreciated. If someone has the time to answer a few questions and maybe clarify a few of the things I have heard I would be very grateful for your time. I will post one of my questions but have more. Please feel free to PM me as well if you have time. I did request a recruiter contacts me via the company website but have not heard back yet, and totally understand that they are rather busy so that is why I thought I might try the forum since PDT is my first choice.

I have just about 6000 hours (no 121 or 135), I do meet the quals for an unrestricted ATP. I still need to do the new ATP-CTP and take the ATM exam. Does anyone have thoughts on the different providers for this training? I have Aerosim out of JetBlue Academy in Orlando that is close to where I live. However, I am very willing to travel if there is a recommended provider.

Thank you in advance for your input,
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Old 02-15-2017 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Lomax72
Hello,
I am new to the forums and wanted to thank those that have been posting as the information being shared is much appreciated. If someone has the time to answer a few questions and maybe clarify a few of the things I have heard I would be very grateful for your time. I will post one of my questions but have more. Please feel free to PM me as well if you have time. I did request a recruiter contacts me via the company website but have not heard back yet, and totally understand that they are rather busy so that is why I thought I might try the forum since PDT is my first choice.

I have just about 6000 hours (no 121 or 135), I do meet the quals for an unrestricted ATP. I still need to do the new ATP-CTP and take the ATM exam. Does anyone have thoughts on the different providers for this training? I have Aerosim out of JetBlue Academy in Orlando that is close to where I live. However, I am very willing to travel if there is a recommended provider.

Thank you in advance for your input,
Regionals will pay for your CTP - and most will probably even reimburse for your written.
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