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08-28-2014 | 06:31 AM
#5291
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Both PSA and PDT's TA is an insult! However AA kept their end by adding aircraft to PSA and have guarantee of 30 aircraft. PDT is offered no growth but rather a wind down of operation where AA will keep only 20 aircraft in operation at a loss of course to ensure the lifers a retirement. Correct me if I'm interpreting this wrong. In case AA wants to grow PDT, you will be capped with no grandfathering for the senior pilots over 12 years of longevity. But given the situation PDT is in, AA offered just enough to get the vote passed. PSA and PDT are easy to shut down. Hence why PSA reluctantly passed the TA which nobody else understands. Envoy is a whole different animal due to their sheer size. And yet they're getting punished as well but time will tell. Majors would rather fly 190s and 717s on their own than to ever see a regional captain make 120-130 and FOs making 50-60k. Look at Delta, that's exactly what they're doing. And in a way it's better for the whole industry.
There is aircraft commitment language in this TA. My understanding reading the LOA is the only way AAG can back out of delivering 175s is if either AFA or IAM refuse to negotiate new contracts.
There is grandfathering language for Dash-8s up to the 25 year step
08-28-2014 | 06:38 AM
#5292
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From: rabble rouser
the ignorance and misinformation in this thread is astounding...
there are grandfather clauses
there is a section detailing that the last 20 of the standing order of 175s are slated for pdt, as are the first 20 options (if AA exercises the order options)
it would take aag 120 days to close us down and transfer the majority of our flying to existing contract carriers (with the exception of a tiny handful of routes that would disappear) and they would most certainly do it as it would let them really put the screws to eagle(sorry, they're never going to be 'envoy' to me)
there are grandfather clauses
there is a section detailing that the last 20 of the standing order of 175s are slated for pdt, as are the first 20 options (if AA exercises the order options)
it would take aag 120 days to close us down and transfer the majority of our flying to existing contract carriers (with the exception of a tiny handful of routes that would disappear) and they would most certainly do it as it would let them really put the screws to eagle(sorry, they're never going to be 'envoy' to me)
08-28-2014 | 06:43 AM
#5293
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If I read the flow through language correctly, AA only has to make 3 offers (up to 350 pilots) a month. An offer is just that, an offer, if the pilot turns it down, it still counts as an offer. Thus with the proclaimed 100+ lifers on property, PDT would see zero go to the flow for almost 3 years.
That being said, quick calculations show the most senior F/O on property wouldn't see indoc at AAG for almost 5 years! Pilot #350 would take 9.5 years to flow. That is insane. The "flow" isn't really worth much IMO.
That being said, quick calculations show the most senior F/O on property wouldn't see indoc at AAG for almost 5 years! Pilot #350 would take 9.5 years to flow. That is insane. The "flow" isn't really worth much IMO.
08-28-2014 | 06:45 AM
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Stand strong and hold the line. By signing this you'll give them leverage and be sorry later. Don't. You don't want to make the same mistake as Pinnacle or PSA. You won't be shut down, they need every single one of you.
08-28-2014 | 07:09 AM
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If I read the flow through language correctly, AA only has to make 3 offers (up to 350 pilots) a month. An offer is just that, an offer, if the pilot turns it down, it still counts as an offer. Thus with the proclaimed 100+ lifers on property, PDT would see zero go to the flow for almost 3 years.
That being said, quick calculations show the most senior F/O on property wouldn't see indoc at AAG for almost 5 years! Pilot #350 would take 9.5 years to flow. That is insane. The "flow" isn't really worth much IMO.
That being said, quick calculations show the most senior F/O on property wouldn't see indoc at AAG for almost 5 years! Pilot #350 would take 9.5 years to flow. That is insane. The "flow" isn't really worth much IMO.
the rest of your math is woefully incorrect...
08-28-2014 | 07:13 AM
#5296
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From: A320 F/O
How is it incorrect? Take 3 (offers) per month and divide it by your seniority number. There is an increase of one additional per pilot every 125 pilots on property, but that assumes the same relative pilot group size.
EDIT: Here is the language:
Not later than sixty (60) days from the date of signing of this Letter of Agreement, Piedmont will publish and maintain a website on which each Piedmont pilot may affirmatively state on a standing basis that he or she is willing to accept an opportunity for a pilot position at AA offered under the PFP.
08-28-2014 | 07:22 AM
#5297
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From: EMB-145 CA
Not to mention if we get the 40 E-jets, we grow. For each additional 125 pilots added the flow goes up by 1 per month. At minimum, upgrade time decreases by half or more. Add in retirements and folks riding out the dash and 2 to 3 year upgrade would be commonplace and it would likely be lower than that. Flow also not likely to be minimum levels in a few years. Yeah I know, economy, world events, blah blah. I could also be hit by a meteor today, but it's a beautiful day and I'm going outside.
08-28-2014 | 08:17 AM
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From: DHC-8 100/300
If I read the flow through language correctly, AA only has to make 3 offers (up to 350 pilots) a month. An offer is just that, an offer, if the pilot turns it down, it still counts as an offer. Thus with the proclaimed 100+ lifers on property, PDT would see zero go to the flow for almost 3 years.
That being said, quick calculations show the most senior F/O on property wouldn't see indoc at AAG for almost 5 years! Pilot #350 would take 9.5 years to flow. That is insane. The "flow" isn't really worth much IMO.
That being said, quick calculations show the most senior F/O on property wouldn't see indoc at AAG for almost 5 years! Pilot #350 would take 9.5 years to flow. That is insane. The "flow" isn't really worth much IMO.
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