Don't ruin what 10,000 united pilots at XJT, Envoy, and RAH has achieved. We ALL have to stay united and hold the line. No 12/4 caps are needed. You have more leverage than what you think. You'll have our support all the way. Stay strong, hold the line and you all will be fine.

 

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thanks psa? if you don't like it vote no like everyone else and stand up…dont bend over and blame psa, hold the line like everyone else you *******

 

No they need a scapegoat for their yes vote. Again it's understandable why PDT would vote anything in considering their situation. But don't blame PSA or Pinnacle or whomever else. I think PDT's TA is much worse than PSA's other than the flow language. You're not even guaranteed any growth. If anything it sounds like AA won't shut you down and will keep 20 dashes running for the next 10 years. That's the least they can do for the lifers that's been there for 20-25 years plus a direct flow if they want to try something new before they retire. Take it for what it is, AA won't have any guilty conscience for shutting you down if you vote no. I think most of you realize that.

 

Sure I'll hold the line. Call your all your reps and tell them this is what I want then, at minimum, in writing:

-Longevity if I lose my job or if a merger takes place
-Longevity pay or better
-Choice of base/equipment
-Travel benefits equal to your mainline partner (for my commute)
-Any provisions of my current/future contract that were/are superior to yours.

Now that would be holding the line and looking out for each other. If not, you are asking me to take a bigger gamble than I'm willing to take. If you want change, you need to plan a little better on how to take care of your brothers and sisters that join your cause, if the worst case happens to them.

 

I agree. This LOA sucks. But nothing changes unless we get new jet aircraft.

Also, explain to me how this TA is worse than PSA's.

 

I'm not defending PSA's TA but there was language that basically said no airplanes, no TA. Of course they could have just ordered 1 airplane but so far 3 or 4 have arrived.
No idea if they are having issues staffing yet. The number 900 guy at PSA will have a long wait till he/she gets the chance at AA.
I suspect that they will just either hope for a seniority number at mainline or will jump ship to United or Delta.
In the eyes of management you offer your senior pilots something at the expense of the younger junior pilots. If that doesn't bite then you have to raise the anti some more.
Eventually you will get to a 51% pass.
We should all be pushing for a seniority number at mainline.

Anyway this will all be short lived. The 12/4 is a horrible hiring tool. Today we have upgrades in 2-3 years, but what happens in 5 years when it gets to 8-10?
Who is going to go to the airline with a f/o pay scale that stops at year 4?
Once that happens then we will see hiring bonuses till they don't work then a new TA. 2018 is my guess.

 

I think its funny how everybody is telling PDT to hold the line now...they are less than 500 pilots...a drop in the bucket in terms of the regional pilot pool. This after Mesa, PSA, GO Jets, all of the Republic companies(until recently), etc have undercut and sold out their own contracts to get more flying. Especially when all these companies had somewhat modern fleets when they sold out their contract language. Now PDT has a 25 year old fleet, and is cost neutral...the worst thing to be because for all you uneducated, that means they can be shut down and it wont cost Usairways a dang thing. Also, for all of you who don't know how PSA got their first round of 50 seat RJ's, then you have no place to tell PDT to hold the line...cause PDT did...and they have held the line for many years...but everybody else kept selling them down the river. I think PDT should do what they think is best for them, and everybody else should live with what they decide, this time around. For reference, I was a PDT pilot for 8 years and was lucky enough to go to mainline, so I know what I am talking about, and pull for these guys at mainline when I can.

 

Frame of reference is everything. It's not your fault you are unable to comprehend the situation. I also choose to ignore circumstance when making inflammatory and emotional remarks.

 

Both PSA and PDT's TA is an insult! However AA kept their end by adding aircraft to PSA and have guarantee of 30 aircraft. PDT is offered no growth but rather a wind down of operation where AA will keep only 20 aircraft in operation at a loss of course to ensure the lifers a retirement. Correct me if I'm interpreting this wrong. In case AA wants to grow PDT, you will be capped with no grandfathering for the senior pilots over 12 years of longevity. But given the situation PDT is in, AA offered just enough to get the vote passed. PSA and PDT are easy to shut down. Hence why PSA reluctantly passed the TA which nobody else understands. Envoy is a whole different animal due to their sheer size. And yet they're getting punished as well but time will tell. Majors would rather fly 190s and 717s on their own than to ever see a regional captain make 120-130 and FOs making 50-60k. Look at Delta, that's exactly what they're doing. And in a way it's better for the whole industry.