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Old 08-16-2015 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Flying101
So what happens to your "iron clad" so called contract when AA decides to consolidate Piedmont, PSA, and Envoy into one large wholly owned regional? Oooooo boom dynamite! Now your no longer Piedmont and are now subjected to, lets say PSA flow agreement or does your amazing "iron clad" contract have protection for when this happens? My best friend is a Piedmont Captain so I've read your "iron clad" contract..
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What happens if.... Then if this???? Then this???? Then this?
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Old 08-16-2015 | 08:12 PM
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What happens if.... Then if this???? Then this???? Then this?
You're not kidding Billy, we can pick on facts and have disagreement but when it comes to ifs....what if WW3 starts tomm?

Let's try to stick with facts.
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Old 08-16-2015 | 08:16 PM
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Let me rephrase.. "What happens when". Just a matter of time before Parker will consolidate you (PSA, Envoy, and Iron clad) into one company/pilot group. Three years tops!

The whole point of a contract is to protect you in case of an if or a when.
-if/when we cancel will I get paid
-if/when we DH will I get paid.

So that being said what does your "iron clad" contract say about mergers?

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Old 08-16-2015 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Flying101
Let me rephrase.. "What happens when". Just a matter of time before Parker will consolidate you (PSA, Envoy, and Iron clad) into one company/pilot group. Three years tops!

The whole point of a contract is to protect you in case of an if or a when.
-if/when we cancel will I get paid
-if/when we DH will I get paid.
-if/when we cancel will I get paid
Three years tops eh? Nah, why would they put all their eggs into just one basket? Makes no sense and they would lose recruiting tools such as quick upgrade and flow. They will keep em separated as long as possible. The last thing they want is a one trick pony like the old American had with AE.
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Old 08-16-2015 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho
Actually it's called Contract Language. The only way to stop the flow at PDT is to not have a new hire class at American is what I understand.

Envoy gets 175's and Piedmont gets a 'iron clad' flow.
I'm just asking a simple question...how can they stop envoys flow? According to you, PDT has an "iron clad" flow and all envoy gets is 175's? Nice little spin you're putting on that.

You know what annoys me about you two? You both sound like used car salesman. I'm not saying PDT is an awful place to go to by any means, but try presenting your argument with real facts instead of spinning it for your agenda.

I'll give you a FACT to start with. Nothing is "iron clad". Not PDT's flow and not envoys flow.
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Old 08-16-2015 | 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by sublime259
I'm just asking a simple question...how can they stop envoys flow? According to you, PDT has an "iron clad" flow and all envoy gets is 175's? Nice little spin you're putting on that.

You know what annoys me about you two? You both sound like used car salesman. I'm not saying PDT is an awful place to go to by any means, but try presenting your argument with real facts instead of spinning it for your agenda.

I'll give you a FACT to start with. Nothing is "iron clad". Not PDT's flow and not envoys flow.
First off I wasn't the one that started with iron clad. Second it's Spinning agenda??? It's just facts. Third if you had any idea of what Piedmont has gone through over the years you'd be happy also if on our property. If that makes us car salesmen then so be it.
Go sell sad somewhere else we are totally over that now.
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Old 08-17-2015 | 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by sublime259
I'm just asking a simple question...how can they stop envoys flow? According to you, PDT has an "iron clad" flow and all envoy gets is 175's? Nice little spin you're putting on that.

You know what annoys me about you two? You both sound like used car salesman. I'm not saying PDT is an awful place to go to by any means, but try presenting your argument with real facts instead of spinning it for your agenda.

I'll give you a FACT to start with. Nothing is "iron clad". Not PDT's flow and not envoys flow.
Envoy 824 and protected pilots flow it's a rule from arbitration. Which it has to happen, which is more than a "contract". The flow for the after protected pilots and new hires...well that's contractual, not a ruling from an arbitrator.

In case they merge PSA or PDT with ENY, those pilots will go AFTER the 824 and protected pilots (which are the ones hires before Oct 11, 2011).
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Old 08-17-2015 | 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by sublime259
I'm just asking a simple question...how can they stop envoys flow? According to you, PDT has an "iron clad" flow and all envoy gets is 175's? Nice little spin you're putting on that.

You know what annoys me about you two? You both sound like used car salesman. I'm not saying PDT is an awful place to go to by any means, but try presenting your argument with real facts instead of spinning it for your agenda.

I'll give you a FACT to start with. Nothing is "iron clad". Not PDT's flow and not envoys flow.
Poke a hole in our flow letter.
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Old 08-17-2015 | 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
In case they merge PSA or PDT with ENY, those pilots will go AFTER the 824 and protected pilots (which are the ones hires before Oct 11, 2011).
There won't be a merger for years to come if ever and this won't be a factor by then at all.

American is actually being smart handling these flows and look for others soon to structure something like it. Especially if it keeps a steady stream of pilots coming in.
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Old 08-17-2015 | 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by PDTpilotXX
Poke a hole in our flow letter.
So you're going to be that ignorant to reality and still say your flow is iron clad? I'm not a lawyer so I'm not going to try and poke any holes. But we all know that AAG would never violate any agreement...

I'd be confident that your flow will work as planned, just as envoys will. But don't sit there and tell me that PDT has an iron clad flow that can't and won't be violated, while envoys can.
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