EV Furlough
12-24-2008 | 04:28 AM
#131
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From: Captain, CRJ-200, ASA
I really think there's a handshake deal between Delta and SkyWest to sell ASA back to Delta in 2010 or whatever the rumor was.
Think about it:
SkyWest buys ASA, transfers a few airplanes, raids the ASA order book, and has those airplanes delivered to SkyWest instead. That way, when ASA is ultimately sold back, all the growth stays on the SkyWest side. I think it's telling that ASA has received only a handful of growth airplanes (that have since been negated by the ATR retirement) since the purchase while SKYW has almost doubled in size.
Delta decides that canceling contracts at the DCI carriers isn't working too well but still has their goal to eliminate hundreds of RJs. Delta buys back ASA once the economy improves and money starts flowing again (for a nice profit to SKYW), parks all the 200s, leaving just the skeleton 700 fleet which is merged into Mesaba/Comair. This has the double effect of reducing the SKYW percentage of DCI ops (which is way too high for Delta's "screw everybody equally" model) and it also eliminates a high-cost carrier that unfortunately performed too well to have their DCI agreement canceled.
This is just my wild speculation, but I just don't see much good happening to ASA... best case scenario is that we retain all of our pilots and keep the 148 airplanes we have.
Think about it:
SkyWest buys ASA, transfers a few airplanes, raids the ASA order book, and has those airplanes delivered to SkyWest instead. That way, when ASA is ultimately sold back, all the growth stays on the SkyWest side. I think it's telling that ASA has received only a handful of growth airplanes (that have since been negated by the ATR retirement) since the purchase while SKYW has almost doubled in size.
Delta decides that canceling contracts at the DCI carriers isn't working too well but still has their goal to eliminate hundreds of RJs. Delta buys back ASA once the economy improves and money starts flowing again (for a nice profit to SKYW), parks all the 200s, leaving just the skeleton 700 fleet which is merged into Mesaba/Comair. This has the double effect of reducing the SKYW percentage of DCI ops (which is way too high for Delta's "screw everybody equally" model) and it also eliminates a high-cost carrier that unfortunately performed too well to have their DCI agreement canceled.
This is just my wild speculation, but I just don't see much good happening to ASA... best case scenario is that we retain all of our pilots and keep the 148 airplanes we have.
12-24-2008 | 09:10 AM
#132
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Dan, did you bid for COMA in Jan? I'm only one number lower than you and have bid on it every month, only awarded in October. I spoke with someone roughly 200 from the bottom of the list and he didn't get it in January either... seems like everyone who wants COMA would be getting it if we were that overstaffed.
Hey you guys that have bid a COMA and not been awarded one, drop me an email-- atrdriver (at) live (dot) com. They shouldn't be denying COMAs when they have voluntary furloughs on the table.
12-24-2008 | 08:53 PM
#133
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From: crj-200 FO
I was denyed it for DEC. I don't remember if i put in for one in NOV. Didn't bother for JAN. (when voluntary furloughs and 1 month - 1yr COMAs came out)
12-24-2008 | 10:44 PM
#134
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Does anyone else see the irony that Pinnacle and Mesaba are hiring while ASA and Comair are furloughing?
Is it just me, or is Delta trying to eliminate the high paying airlines and grow the low paying airlines? And we're all in the same union! We're right back to the Lorenzo days.
Hellooooooooooooo ALPA? Where are you?
Is it just me, or is Delta trying to eliminate the high paying airlines and grow the low paying airlines? And we're all in the same union! We're right back to the Lorenzo days.
Hellooooooooooooo ALPA? Where are you?
Pinnacle is NOT hiring!!! yet you continue to take its name along with Mesaba. Show me one place or tell me one source that says that Pinnacle is hiring. You have no source of info, and if you do it surely is wrong!! Get a life and stop posting RUMORS!
12-25-2008 | 08:34 AM
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I really think there's a handshake deal between Delta and SkyWest to sell ASA back to Delta in 2010 or whatever the rumor was.
Think about it:
SkyWest buys ASA, transfers a few airplanes, raids the ASA order book, and has those airplanes delivered to SkyWest instead. That way, when ASA is ultimately sold back, all the growth stays on the SkyWest side. I think it's telling that ASA has received only a handful of growth airplanes (that have since been negated by the ATR retirement) since the purchase while SKYW has almost doubled in size.
Delta decides that canceling contracts at the DCI carriers isn't working too well but still has their goal to eliminate hundreds of RJs. Delta buys back ASA once the economy improves and money starts flowing again (for a nice profit to SKYW), parks all the 200s, leaving just the skeleton 700 fleet which is merged into Mesaba/Comair. This has the double effect of reducing the SKYW percentage of DCI ops (which is way too high for Delta's "screw everybody equally" model) and it also eliminates a high-cost carrier that unfortunately performed too well to have their DCI agreement canceled.
This is just my wild speculation, but I just don't see much good happening to ASA... best case scenario is that we retain all of our pilots and keep the 148 airplanes we have.
Think about it:
SkyWest buys ASA, transfers a few airplanes, raids the ASA order book, and has those airplanes delivered to SkyWest instead. That way, when ASA is ultimately sold back, all the growth stays on the SkyWest side. I think it's telling that ASA has received only a handful of growth airplanes (that have since been negated by the ATR retirement) since the purchase while SKYW has almost doubled in size.
Delta decides that canceling contracts at the DCI carriers isn't working too well but still has their goal to eliminate hundreds of RJs. Delta buys back ASA once the economy improves and money starts flowing again (for a nice profit to SKYW), parks all the 200s, leaving just the skeleton 700 fleet which is merged into Mesaba/Comair. This has the double effect of reducing the SKYW percentage of DCI ops (which is way too high for Delta's "screw everybody equally" model) and it also eliminates a high-cost carrier that unfortunately performed too well to have their DCI agreement canceled.
This is just my wild speculation, but I just don't see much good happening to ASA... best case scenario is that we retain all of our pilots and keep the 148 airplanes we have.
I can only hope Age 65 hits our little gem of a company and there is some actual attrition otherwise I will most likely end up turning my back on the flying for an airline game.
12-25-2008 | 08:58 AM
#136
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I really don't see us growing at all....ever again. I think SKYW will keep getting all the growth. That post about the handshake deal with Delta is scary! I am just trying to get as much fllight time as I can right now before you know what happens....
12-25-2008 | 10:20 AM
#137
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From: Captain, CRJ-200, ASA
dude you need to get your facts straight before you post pointless and irrelevant rumors on the forum turning most people against other regional pilots..
Pinnacle is NOT hiring!!! yet you continue to take its name along with Mesaba. Show me one place or tell me one source that says that Pinnacle is hiring. You have no source of info, and if you do it surely is wrong!! Get a life and stop posting RUMORS!
Pinnacle is NOT hiring!!! yet you continue to take its name along with Mesaba. Show me one place or tell me one source that says that Pinnacle is hiring. You have no source of info, and if you do it surely is wrong!! Get a life and stop posting RUMORS!
Everyone hear that? I STAND CORRECTED, PINNACLE IS NOT HIRING. (They're just acquiring the remaining Delta -900s to fly with their ridiculously low pay rates).
(JP, going off to get a life now)
12-25-2008 | 01:00 PM
#138
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From: CL65 FO
I think ASA is a good company and thought we were in a good position for growth. These days I find myself wondering if we are on someones chopping block. It will be interesting to see where the Q400's 9E exercised the options for end up. I have a feeling we might see them on some of our old ATR routes.
12-25-2008 | 03:12 PM
#139
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From: crj-200 FO
An advisor friend of mine pointed out that IF fuel can settle between $30-$50 per barrel it should help the airlines out a lot. Make a long conversation short the CRJ-200 was built when fuel was $25-$35. Don't see why this plane cannot be a small money maker like it was before. If we (ALL DCI) are so lucky and fuel can just settle at around this range, Delta may go easy on the cuts or even add routes in 2009-2010. But.... I know that is a huge dream but hey who knows.
I agree ASA is a good airline and the pay is almost unmatched anyplace else, one huge reason this was the 1st place I sent the good old resume and then got hired. But Skywest has c*ck blocked us on A LOT of things. If they keep this up they will absorb all of our growth and we will just maintain our current size. I see no reason why Skywest INC. itself would let ASA shrink but to maintain its size and turn a profit at the sametime, yes. Could be really risky for them to GROW 2 airlines at the sametime. Therefor, they will grow their own child and not the adopted ASA. At least that is what I think.
I agree ASA is a good airline and the pay is almost unmatched anyplace else, one huge reason this was the 1st place I sent the good old resume and then got hired. But Skywest has c*ck blocked us on A LOT of things. If they keep this up they will absorb all of our growth and we will just maintain our current size. I see no reason why Skywest INC. itself would let ASA shrink but to maintain its size and turn a profit at the sametime, yes. Could be really risky for them to GROW 2 airlines at the sametime. Therefor, they will grow their own child and not the adopted ASA. At least that is what I think.
12-25-2008 | 03:26 PM
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I think ASA is a good company and thought we were in a good position for growth. These days I find myself wondering if we are on someones chopping block. It will be interesting to see where the Q400's 9E exercised the options for end up. I have a feeling we might see them on some of our old ATR routes.
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