tpersuit

The dirty little secret they agreed to was hidden, until now. I don't really blame the new pilots there, since they probably didn't realize the pay for anything up to 99 seats was already agreed to in the contract, but I still don't give the ones a pass that signed off for doing jet flying up to 99 seats for that rate.

JoeyMeatballs

I know, and in the future it is going to be hard for any other regional to get decent payrates on larger planes with RAHs' payscale.

The point is to become so expensive on 90+ seat planes where it just pays to have your own pilots fly em

tpersuit

As FO's at XJT, we'll have to agree to another paycut, to be able to fly an airplane twice the size we currently fly, and almost 3 times the size of the 135, we get paid the same as FO's, to fly on.

How messed up is that?

deadstick35

Would those be the 12 CRJs that replaced the 16 (or was it 14?) Skyway aircraft? No, RAH is replacing Midwest airframes and crews.

katana

actually SKYW replaced skyway and midwest flights.

tpersuit

However, Skywest pilots are flying for almost the same cost that the Republic pilots will be flying twice the amount of seats.

BoilerUP

Oh for the love of buddah...those rates were in their contract all the way back in 2003. When the E175 was announced in 2006 to go into service in 2007, RAH pilots had already figured Bedford would find a way to get E190s on property and pay them at the 79-99 seat rate.

I'm gonna say it again, in capital letters this time for those who choose to selectively remember the history of regional airline collective bargaining back in mid-2003 in order to fit their own pre-conceived notions:

THE 79-99 SEAT CAPTAIN RATES IN THE CHQ 2003 CONTRACT ARE ~2.5% HIGHER THAN THE B146 RATE IN THE ARW 2003 CONTRACT BEYOND THE THIRD YEAR OF LONGEVITY.

And this is despite sacrificing a lot of negotiating captial to secure seniority list scope and kill the threat of a non-union Republic Airlines being spooled up to take away Chautauqua's then-existing E145 flying. And yes, everybody knows the FO rate sucks...that is very old news.

True, the ARW 2003 contract rates were concessionary and its concessionary work rules are superior to the CHQ 2003 CBA...but CHQ beating those rates was and is a commendable feat, given Mesa's abortion of a contract which was ratified just a few months earlier and the previously mentioned scope fight which was endangering their jobs.

In 2003, nobody gave ARW pilots guff for flying 100 seat airplanes for those rates at a time when American was still flying the sub-100 seat F100 and NWA the DC9-15 for substantially higher payrates.

Six years later, what makes RAH pilots *****s for flying the 190 at their higher contractual payrates when ARW pilots were not?

johnso29

Well first of all SkyWest CRJ200s replaced Skyway flying, not Midwest flying.

Secondly, Skyway was flying B1900s & D328s & I'm sure the Skywest CRJ200s hold 50 pax so NONE of these airplanes are anywhere CLOSE to the E190s RAH will be operating.

In other words, Midwest pilots were NOT furloughed as a DIRECT result of the Skyway/SkyWest flying. The same cannot be said for the RAH flying.

No exaggeration, just facts.

deadstick35

Actually, now I do remember that some Midex legs were covered by the CRJ. SAT and AUS(?) were turned from Midwest stations into Skyway (the renouned ground handling company that it is) ones and all the employees were rehired at a "Skyway" rate. The planes would actually "feed" MCI. I think there were MKE-MCI legs, too.

TheRedBaron1967

At first it was 1/4 furloughed by MidW mgmt to take the 170s and $$ from RAH. What happened after that is again mgmt. But my main point is its not the RAH pilots its the mgmt that should be getting the bashing here. We are all in the same preverbial boat here. Just like I don't blame mesa pilots I blame mgmt and Legacy scope release for all the whip sawing going on. We need to band together and make a unified statement all the way to the halls of DC if we want change for our profession. No one is going to do it for us. See my other thread.