RAH 190's Base and Pay Memo
06-02-2009, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TheRedBaron1967
What Management does to save their company isn't either pilot groups fault. I seriously doubt that the 3/4 of the pilot group left would rather be on the street than have some of their flying out sourced by mgmt.
If I were at RAH I would have to be the victim of a mandatory displacement to accept this flying.
06-02-2009, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by AirWillie
So are you saying if you had a choice you wouldn't be accepting a job at RAH because they fly for Midwest and that they replace furloughed midwest guys and fly mainline airplanes as well while their at it? But since it looks like a case of the chicken before the egg, your hands are tied. The fact of the matter is you guys will be even bidding for it, we'll see how junior the flying goes. Now your management even fixed the pay issue for you guys by making it below 99 seats, HOW CONVENIENT FOR YOU!!! 66 717s VS 95 seat E190s. Somebody said something about throwing up.....
06-02-2009, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Deez340
Enjoy your obvious bid to the E190, but don't troll for absolution. You'll find none here.
If I were at RAH I would have to be the victim of a mandatory displacement to accept this flying.
If I were at RAH I would have to be the victim of a mandatory displacement to accept this flying.
Would I take a recall to the 190? I honestly don't know. I would like to think I wouldn't on principals sake but its hard to know if it were in my lap. I do know this. We need a union that will take this to the mat for our pilot group ASAP. And I think the Midw pilots should fly them.
06-02-2009, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
I don't get the point of your question. He's saying he's hoping we wouldn't accept the flying as a pilot group. I'm saying we don't have the option to accept or deny any of this since as it sits it does not violate any contracts. Make any sense? If they show up we can't simply say "no thanks". We don't have a choice.
Of course everyone knows what will actually happen.
06-03-2009, 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by TheRedBaron1967
What Management does to save their company isn't either pilot groups fault. I seriously doubt that the 3/4 of the pilot group left would rather be on the street than have some of their flying out sourced by mgmt.
You keep saying that RAH saved 3/4 of Midwest pilot jobs. Do you realize that Midwest used to have 400ish pilots, & are now down to around 100 pilots? No more MD80s & only 8 B717s now.
So once again RAH did not save 3/4 of Midwest pilot jobs. The E170s & the $$$ RAH management provided helped to ELIMINATE 3/4 of the Midwest pilots jobs & only left about 1/4 of the Midwest pilots employed.
06-03-2009, 04:45 AM
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Yes, there will be a MKE base. With the company configuring the 190's to 94 seats it's taken away any leverage the IBT might have had regarding "new aircraft", which they were supposed to give 6 months notice to us (they didn't) and a chance to negotiate a new pay rate for the aircraft (which we won't now until the new CBA goes out to vote). The one saving grace is that if no one volunteers it will be an involuntary displacement (which I sincerely hope the pilot group stands together and refuses to bid for).
06-03-2009, 05:07 AM
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RAH has now lowered the career bar far below sea level.
How pathetic to fly a 190 with that little pay scale. Would RAH pilots really fly for that little?
The quality mainline jobs at Midwest have been replaced this silly entry level airline.
RAH pilots....do you think flying that E190 for that pay - you will have respect in the industry (if any)?
I hope no pimple popping crew bids the E190. DON'T DO IT.... The industry and fellow pilots everywhere are watching you.
Look in the mirror, accepting the E190 flying at RAH will pave the future for yourself and others WITHOUT a good paying job and quality of life.
How pathetic to fly a 190 with that little pay scale. Would RAH pilots really fly for that little?
The quality mainline jobs at Midwest have been replaced this silly entry level airline.
RAH pilots....do you think flying that E190 for that pay - you will have respect in the industry (if any)?
I hope no pimple popping crew bids the E190. DON'T DO IT.... The industry and fellow pilots everywhere are watching you.
Look in the mirror, accepting the E190 flying at RAH will pave the future for yourself and others WITHOUT a good paying job and quality of life.
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