AE vac/disp bid
11-23-2009 | 01:35 PM
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Your theory works realy well for FO's and I agree with you on that point. But what is going to happen when/if the descions lie with them? They have never been tested never been put in a situation where the safety of flight depends on their judgment. the only time they have is when they were on their Solo X-country flights during training. Oh and nevermind the fact that some of these people wont even qualify for an upgrade becuase they lack the PIC requirement for an ATP. This is true no matter how much SIC time they accumulate in their career unless they go pay for some cesna cross country time.
I'll be happy if they pass that 1500 hr rule, that means no low time guy will get in before I have a chance after my contract is over with my current job.
11-23-2009 | 01:47 PM
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I'm sorry you think that someone hired as an fo has never had to make a decision on their own. As a CFI I was always making the decision on what was going to happen with the flight. Also during single pilot part 91 corp flying I guess it was just the president of the company in the back seat doing all the IFR flying. When was the last time you flew an aircraft with no autopilot, heading bug, or gps single pilot IFR for 5 hours in IMC at night? Sorry I have more solo time that half a dozen pilots I know at Eagle have PIC time, and I can make my own decisions thanks.
I'll be happy if they pass that 1500 hr rule, that means no low time guy will get in before I have a chance after my contract is over with my current job.
I'll be happy if they pass that 1500 hr rule, that means no low time guy will get in before I have a chance after my contract is over with my current job.
11-23-2009 | 02:04 PM
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11-23-2009 | 02:34 PM
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I think maveric was talking about those who were hired with real low time and didnt have the PIC requirement to qualify for an ATP. He has a point that many of those pilots have never had to go through the experiences you have, and if they finish IOE and are in an emergency situation they wont have those past experiences to rely on for solving the situation.
11-23-2009 | 02:41 PM
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exactly. anyway back on topic. the vac bid out realy doesnt make sense and a lot of us are scratching out head with how to bid. personally I'm not gonna bite untill we get closer to the actual aircraft arriving on property. I defantley dont want to get stuck in a base similiar to what the CRJ is in DFW and ORD. NO FLEXABILITY at all. everything is denied due to staffing where as on the EMJ side we can pretty much do what we want.
11-23-2009 | 04:10 PM
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More then likely this is in anticipation of flowthru's beginning to move over to AA by spring or Summer. The company doesn't want to get caught without enough captains to cover the schedule for Spring/Summer flying because an overage of captains can be used to cover an underage of F/O's, wheras a shortage of captains grinds the schedule down.
There remains a possibility that the company will force all to flow, but more than likely those that pass will just mean another more junior goes. It's reasonable to assume 50-60% of the 244 will accept and that means 120-150 vacancies will occur over the next 6-8 months. First though, a bubble needs to be created to insure the process runs satisfactorily and that is the likely primary purpose of the vacancy bid, but additional factors may be involved as well.
There remains a possibility that the company will force all to flow, but more than likely those that pass will just mean another more junior goes. It's reasonable to assume 50-60% of the 244 will accept and that means 120-150 vacancies will occur over the next 6-8 months. First though, a bubble needs to be created to insure the process runs satisfactorily and that is the likely primary purpose of the vacancy bid, but additional factors may be involved as well.
11-23-2009 | 04:13 PM
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More then likely this is in anticipation of flowthru's beginning to move over to AA by spring or Summer. The company doesn't want to get caught without enough captains to cover the schedule for Spring/Summer flying because an overage of captains can be used to cover an underage of F/O's, wheras a shortage of captains grinds the schedule down.
There remains a possibility that the company will force all to flow, but more than likely those that pass will just mean another more junior goes. It's reasonable to assume 50-60% of the 244 will accept and that means 120-150 vacancies will occur over the next 6-8 months. First though, a bubble needs to be created to insure the process runs satisfactorily and that is the likely primary purpose of the vacancy bid, but additional factors may be involved as well.
There remains a possibility that the company will force all to flow, but more than likely those that pass will just mean another more junior goes. It's reasonable to assume 50-60% of the 244 will accept and that means 120-150 vacancies will occur over the next 6-8 months. First though, a bubble needs to be created to insure the process runs satisfactorily and that is the likely primary purpose of the vacancy bid, but additional factors may be involved as well.
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