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Old 01-19-2011 | 12:30 PM
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pending I pass final review, I am in the same boat with NY thing, skipped on Colgan hoping for Eagle because NY WAS easy to get into.

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yup 22. Wouldnt mind flying anything, but would prefer something that gives me a shot of living home
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Old 01-19-2011 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 172captain
yup 22. Wouldnt mind flying anything, but would prefer something that gives me a shot of living home
My only advise is...plan for the worst. Unless you are 40years old I'd say that below 25 years you should be planing for the ATR or other place far from home. Don't get me wrong I'm 23 and when was my time I had a couple of things to choose: EMB ORD, LGA CRJ or MIA & DFW ATR (but I'm almost 24 now and I started in Novemeber).The junior guy that pick the other EMB was 23 recently, all other guys below him got ATRs.

As you said, if you don't mind to fly anything that's the correct attitude. Cause I'd saw a couple of guys that where mad because they didn't have the jet.
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Old 01-19-2011 | 12:46 PM
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Here is my opinion...

First off, forget equipment. Bid what gives you the best qol. You will find that is all that matters. You have a few choices. If you live in a base, obviously I would say bid it. It will give you the best control and flexibility over your schedules. Additionally, you can pick up open time with little notice...something that you couldn't if you commute.

When bidding equipment, know that everything pays the same first year. The ATR in many cases is a quick way off of reserve. After your one year seat lock you can bid over to the jet for higher pay, or stay on the ATR until you can hold a line on the jet.

If you are bidding into a base that does not have the ATR, or absolutely refuse to fly it for whatever reason (SJS, aversion to French people, etc)...my opinion is to bid the Embraer. It is the largest fleet type in the company. This means you have a better opportunity for movement, schedule control, dropping trips (although don't hold your breath), open time, etc. You may be on reserve for a while, but not nearly as long as you could be on the crj. If you bid the crj, just know that you can't decide you don't like it and bid something else. You can bid up from the ATR, but not between jets. Also you can not bid from the jet to the ATR.

The crj is a great airplane, but not a logical choice unless you live in a base or just don't care about eternal reserve.

Hope that helps some.
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Old 01-19-2011 | 12:47 PM
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I am with 172, I am not worried about which plane, I just would like IF possible to not have to commute, I know a transfer over time would be possible. I just have a sick Mom, so it makes my life a lot better if I can drive to work from NJ.
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Old 01-19-2011 | 12:54 PM
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Well Ill let you know wat happends on the 31st when they tell me whats left
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Old 01-19-2011 | 01:14 PM
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Im 24 so I figure I will be fairly last to pick. 172 what was your time line like? I interviewed start of this month, now I am crossing my fingers for the review board. All my employers sent my stuff back so I would assume maybe this Friday...

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Well Ill let you know wat happends on the 31st when they tell me whats left
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Old 01-19-2011 | 01:22 PM
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If I had a class, my first choice would be the ATR. Having flown a Canadian Reset Jet in the past, turboprops are way more fun to fly... but this is just my perspective.

Don't get caught up on equipment, bid for QOL.
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Old 01-19-2011 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 172captain
Well Ill let you know wat happends on the 31st when they tell me whats left
Good. So we have an informant for that first day of class.
Good luck.

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Im 24 so I figure I will be fairly last to pick. 172 what was your time line like? I interviewed start of this month, now I am crossing my fingers for the review board. All my employers sent my stuff back so I would assume maybe this Friday...
I don't think last but somewhere in the middle. Well I got the call after 3 weeks from interview. (I heard about other guy that had it in 3 weeks). Normally is from 3 to 4 weeks. Hang in there...be patience. Hehehe
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Old 01-19-2011 | 03:23 PM
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Thanks! I am trying, its twice as hard because the jump school is closed too! So I am enjoying being the worlds biggest couch potato. If anyone gets into a job that's season, open an online bank account like ING or Schwab, and math out how much each week you need to put into it, to have 2 months of pay at the end of the year. IE put money in each week march-dec, then jan/feb/half march, it has enough in it that you can basically pay yourself your weekly paycheck out of savings!

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Good. So we have an informant for that first day of class.
Good luck.



I don't think last but somewhere in the middle. Well I got the call after 3 weeks from interview. (I heard about other guy that had it in 3 weeks). Normally is from 3 to 4 weeks. Hang in there...be patience. Hehehe
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Old 01-19-2011 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 172captain
You think ERJ would be better?

I really dont care what I fly, they all look like a fun gig but my goal is to get NY sooner rather than later.

What do you guys think if i get the opportunity to pick, which one should i take?
I think so, here's my logic:

Looking at the LGA CRJ FO list, roughly 65 of the 70 FOs have been on the property three years or LESS. This means they have a LONG ways to go until they upgrade. Also, the majority of them are holding lines and getting a decent schedule. I'm also going to make an assumption that most of them either live in the northeast, or dont want to commute to ORD, so they will be staying put unless something really drastic happens. Moral of the story, no movement for any of the current LGA CRJ FOs.

Now looking at LGA ERJ FOs. 35 of 58 FOs have been there three years or MORE. Meaning they are getting really close to upgrade, and one of the most junior upgrades is traditionally LGA ERJ, JFK ERJ, LGA CRJ. I would bet most of them would jump at a chance to take either of those three positions. I'm thinking LGA ERJ will stabilize at about 50 crews, so there will be some lag time before LGA ERJ FOs see some movement, but it will happen long before LGA CRJ FOs see that.

JFK ERJ FO is about the same story. 25 of 33 FOs have been there three years of MORE. Close to upgrade as the same with the above. I think JFK ERJ will stabilize around 40 crews, which means they are much shorter on staffing than LGA. The Jan 17th class actually had a newhire slot for JFK, which was the first we have seen in a long time. A vacancy bid just came out with 5 additional openings for JFK too.

Long story short, things arent exactly booming in NYC for openings, but the LGA CRJ FO list wont be seeing any movement for a long time. If you get LGA CRJ just be comfortable with making multiple trips to the airport per week and being on reserve. If you live locally, reserve can be a really sweet deal.

Lastly, if you get the ERJ and seniority isnt moving in NYC you can transfer to ORD/DFW/MIA EMJ bases (MIA EMJ FO is going to be a rocketship for seniority), but if you are on the CRJ your only two options are ORD/LGA.

Good luck to all!
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