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09-24-2011 | 05:02 PM
#3711
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Joined: Apr 2009
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From: CA
[QUOTE=embraer;1059622]Exactly. Plus we are paying for the most senior Eagle captains to go to AA with our awesome new pay cuts. We take a further hit to our income so guys making over 100k/year can "afford" to go to AA. Makes sense...
Well you should blame your parents for not being born earlier. You should've done your flying earlier and got hired sooner? No one can control this business and all that it has gone through in the last 10-12 years. I see the 'Me' generation is kicking in again.
Well you should blame your parents for not being born earlier. You should've done your flying earlier and got hired sooner? No one can control this business and all that it has gone through in the last 10-12 years. I see the 'Me' generation is kicking in again.
09-24-2011 | 05:03 PM
#3712
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Joined: Jun 2009
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I'm not dogging the new guys, we were all new hires once. It just seems like a lot of the new guys here just parrot all the negative crap they read online without any real perspective to back it up. The "paycuts" are a LONG way from being passed by the pilots, or even reaching a pilot vote. My problem is not so much with the seniority based payscales themselves, but the 8 year extension to the rest of our contract, and the changing of our IAI.
As far as the jobs at AA , I won't argue that anyone hired at eagle now will have a long wait before going over (if it does work out), but what do you expect? Hopefully they'll get a quick upgrade due to all the movement, then they have their pick if they want to go somewhere else. Nobody really knows what will happen till it happens.
As far as the jobs at AA , I won't argue that anyone hired at eagle now will have a long wait before going over (if it does work out), but what do you expect? Hopefully they'll get a quick upgrade due to all the movement, then they have their pick if they want to go somewhere else. Nobody really knows what will happen till it happens.
09-24-2011 | 05:09 PM
#3713
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Joined: Feb 2011
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Exactly. Plus we are paying for the most senior Eagle captains to go to AA with our awesome new pay cuts. We take a further hit to our income so guys making over 100k/year can "afford" to go to AA. Makes sense...
In any case, even if the Oct. 11th flow through agreement has a long life span (which is questionable) it would take years to dip down low enough to affect anybody hired at Eagle within the last 3 years. We are talking 8 years minimum, possibly more. In half that time you could easily apply to and be hired by other legacy carriers.
Of course, this is all assuming that not only the agreement survives but that Eagle itself is still around. Remember that we are becoming an airline with 3,000+ pilots and no aircraft. AMR is telling us to bend over and like it, or else they will contract out all our flying to "others".
If/when AA declares bankruptcy their flying will be reduced and the company will undergo an entire restructuring. Feeders will certainly be affected.
In any case, even if the Oct. 11th flow through agreement has a long life span (which is questionable) it would take years to dip down low enough to affect anybody hired at Eagle within the last 3 years. We are talking 8 years minimum, possibly more. In half that time you could easily apply to and be hired by other legacy carriers.
Of course, this is all assuming that not only the agreement survives but that Eagle itself is still around. Remember that we are becoming an airline with 3,000+ pilots and no aircraft. AMR is telling us to bend over and like it, or else they will contract out all our flying to "others".
If/when AA declares bankruptcy their flying will be reduced and the company will undergo an entire restructuring. Feeders will certainly be affected.
The best analogy to them, is a spoiled brat, whose Moms buys them everything, then one day their Mom is dying, and they think she is rich, but they only come to find out she has no life insurance, and is 70,000 in credit card debt. Now they want their divorced Daddy to bail them out.
These will be the first guys to agree to pay bumps in exchange for scope relief once at mainline.
09-24-2011 | 05:16 PM
#3714
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Joined: Aug 2008
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From: forever fo
Ya but come on man, they are ENTITLED to 5th year pay when they go to AA! I mean come on they work at just another crummy regional all these years! Why should they be on probation with probation pay when they go to a MAJOR AIRLINE? I will laugh at those who stay here when this crap pile starts to really stink in 5 years.
The best analogy to them, is a spoiled brat, whose Moms buys them everything, then one day their Mom is dying, and they think she is rich, but they only come to find out she has no life insurance, and is 70,000 in credit card debt. Now they want their divorced Daddy to bail them out.
These will be the first guys to agree to pay bumps in exchange for scope relief once at mainline.
The best analogy to them, is a spoiled brat, whose Moms buys them everything, then one day their Mom is dying, and they think she is rich, but they only come to find out she has no life insurance, and is 70,000 in credit card debt. Now they want their divorced Daddy to bail them out.
These will be the first guys to agree to pay bumps in exchange for scope relief once at mainline.
. How is he not being eaten alive on here??? Are you guys getting soft?
09-24-2011 | 07:47 PM
#3716
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Joined: Apr 2011
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Ya but come on man, they are ENTITLED to 5th year pay when they go to AA! I mean come on they work at just another crummy regional all these years! Why should they be on probation with probation pay when they go to a MAJOR AIRLINE? I will laugh at those who stay here when this crap pile starts to really stink in 5 years.
The best analogy to them, is a spoiled brat, whose Moms buys them everything, then one day their Mom is dying, and they think she is rich, but they only come to find out she has no life insurance, and is 70,000 in credit card debt. Now they want their divorced Daddy to bail them out.
These will be the first guys to agree to pay bumps in exchange for scope relief once at mainline.
The best analogy to them, is a spoiled brat, whose Moms buys them everything, then one day their Mom is dying, and they think she is rich, but they only come to find out she has no life insurance, and is 70,000 in credit card debt. Now they want their divorced Daddy to bail them out.
These will be the first guys to agree to pay bumps in exchange for scope relief once at mainline.
I've been here at Eagle for twenty years. When I get over there, I (and I'm guessing just about all of us who head over) will be pretty hard core about holding the scope line - to your damn benefit.
09-25-2011 | 04:11 AM
#3718
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Joined: Apr 2011
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I'll be there Monday...looking forward to starting a new chapter in my life. For anyone interested my times were: 1440TT/104ME (I was actually given a pre-employment offer with 85 multi but it was recommended to me during the interview to get the 100 hours ME time to avoid the transition course...so I got the time!)
Anyone else in class on Monday? Looking forward to meeting everyone!
Anyone else in class on Monday? Looking forward to meeting everyone!
Thanks in advance.
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