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12-29-2010 | 02:40 PM
#751
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From: forever fo
Well yes Mason I am, and I think I am a fairly educated person. I am trying to plan for a life long career in the airline industry, not the regional airline industry. I would like to be in the front wave of hiring at the majors not the end of it, so upgrade time is VERY important to my decision. I can make a few less bucks the next 3 years while I am in my 20s so I can get hired earlier at the majors, and upgrade there faster and make the really big bucks. I would rather make 10k less for a few years now, and make that extra 50k+/yr later. The pilot shortage is coming, period, they cant up the retirement age any further, and the mainline pilots are not going to allow the regional scope to grow much more than it is, over the next 5 years this is going to hit, and its going to hit hard.
If you think you can predict which regional is better to go to right now then you think foolishly, in 3 years Eagle could be CH 7 for all you know, after a very fouled up spin off.
So my friend, yes I am comparing the two, and with sound advice of many friends in the airline industry on all levels. I have met people who picked one job over another because at the time it paid more, and they did not get the PIC turbine time, missed hiring windows, and are now 50 and still an FO at a major, while another guy took the job at the other place is now 55 and a 777 capt.
For example my Dad in 84 took a job at Eastern, instead of Piedmont, which would have put him in with a group of guy that went to USair very soon after. He did this on the advice of my Grandfather who told him, "Piedmont, what is Piedmont? Places like Piedmont come and go, however one thing I can guarantee you, is that there will always be an Eastern Airline." As you can see, things changed quickly, and I doubt anyone saw that coming.
Regardless of that I still want to work at Eagle, its my pick of the two overall for reasons you can read all over this site. However, the point I was trying to make is, IF they both hire me, Colgan is going to give me class date 3 weeks later almost right away, however Eagle will give me the conditional hiring, pending the review board, bg check etc, I am not sure it would be wise to put off/possibly lose Colgan on the gamble it all works out with Eagle. Ever heard a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush?
If you think you can predict which regional is better to go to right now then you think foolishly, in 3 years Eagle could be CH 7 for all you know, after a very fouled up spin off.
So my friend, yes I am comparing the two, and with sound advice of many friends in the airline industry on all levels. I have met people who picked one job over another because at the time it paid more, and they did not get the PIC turbine time, missed hiring windows, and are now 50 and still an FO at a major, while another guy took the job at the other place is now 55 and a 777 capt.
For example my Dad in 84 took a job at Eastern, instead of Piedmont, which would have put him in with a group of guy that went to USair very soon after. He did this on the advice of my Grandfather who told him, "Piedmont, what is Piedmont? Places like Piedmont come and go, however one thing I can guarantee you, is that there will always be an Eastern Airline." As you can see, things changed quickly, and I doubt anyone saw that coming.
Regardless of that I still want to work at Eagle, its my pick of the two overall for reasons you can read all over this site. However, the point I was trying to make is, IF they both hire me, Colgan is going to give me class date 3 weeks later almost right away, however Eagle will give me the conditional hiring, pending the review board, bg check etc, I am not sure it would be wise to put off/possibly lose Colgan on the gamble it all works out with Eagle. Ever heard a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush?
12-29-2010 | 02:57 PM
#752
Underpaid...
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From: French-Canadian
Well yes Mason I am, and I think I am a fairly educated person. I am trying to plan for a life long career in the airline industry, not the regional airline industry. I would like to be in the front wave of hiring at the majors not the end of it, so upgrade time is VERY important to my decision. I can make a few less bucks the next 3 years while I am in my 20s so I can get hired earlier at the majors, and upgrade there faster and make the really big bucks. I would rather make 10k less for a few years now, and make that extra 50k+/yr later. The pilot shortage is coming, period, they cant up the retirement age any further, and the mainline pilots are not going to allow the regional scope to grow much more than it is, over the next 5 years this is going to hit, and its going to hit hard.
If you think you can predict which regional is better to go to right now then you think foolishly, in 3 years Eagle could be CH 7 for all you know, after a very fouled up spin off.
So my friend, yes I am comparing the two, and with sound advice of many friends in the airline industry on all levels. I have met people who picked one job over another because at the time it paid more, and they did not get the PIC turbine time, missed hiring windows, and are now 50 and still an FO at a major, while another guy took the job at the other place is now 55 and a 777 capt.
For example my Dad in 84 took a job at Eastern, instead of Piedmont, which would have put him in with a group of guy that went to USair very soon after. He did this on the advice of my Grandfather who told him, "Piedmont, what is Piedmont? Places like Piedmont come and go, however one thing I can guarantee you, is that there will always be an Eastern Airline." As you can see, things changed quickly, and I doubt anyone saw that coming.
Regardless of that I still want to work at Eagle, its my pick of the two overall for reasons you can read all over this site. However, the point I was trying to make is, IF they both hire me, Colgan is going to give me class date 3 weeks later almost right away, however Eagle will give me the conditional hiring, pending the review board, bg check etc, I am not sure it would be wise to put off/possibly lose Colgan on the gamble it all works out with Eagle. Ever heard a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush?
If you think you can predict which regional is better to go to right now then you think foolishly, in 3 years Eagle could be CH 7 for all you know, after a very fouled up spin off.
So my friend, yes I am comparing the two, and with sound advice of many friends in the airline industry on all levels. I have met people who picked one job over another because at the time it paid more, and they did not get the PIC turbine time, missed hiring windows, and are now 50 and still an FO at a major, while another guy took the job at the other place is now 55 and a 777 capt.
For example my Dad in 84 took a job at Eastern, instead of Piedmont, which would have put him in with a group of guy that went to USair very soon after. He did this on the advice of my Grandfather who told him, "Piedmont, what is Piedmont? Places like Piedmont come and go, however one thing I can guarantee you, is that there will always be an Eastern Airline." As you can see, things changed quickly, and I doubt anyone saw that coming.
Regardless of that I still want to work at Eagle, its my pick of the two overall for reasons you can read all over this site. However, the point I was trying to make is, IF they both hire me, Colgan is going to give me class date 3 weeks later almost right away, however Eagle will give me the conditional hiring, pending the review board, bg check etc, I am not sure it would be wise to put off/possibly lose Colgan on the gamble it all works out with Eagle. Ever heard a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush?
Worry about being prepared for the interview(s). You have interviews... that's it... NO DECISION YET... worry about what to take once you have the job, until then study your @$$ off!!!
12-29-2010 | 04:12 PM
#753
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From: forever fo
I am!! This message board makes a good way to take a 10min break from studying. I am lucky this is all going on during the winter when I am not really working.
12-29-2010 | 04:14 PM
#754
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Well yes Mason I am, and I think I am a fairly educated person. I am trying to plan for a life long career in the airline industry, not the regional airline industry. I would like to be in the front wave of hiring at the majors not the end of it, so upgrade time is VERY important to my decision. I can make a few less bucks the next 3 years while I am in my 20s so I can get hired earlier at the majors, and upgrade there faster and make the really big bucks. I would rather make 10k less for a few years now, and make that extra 50k+/yr later. The pilot shortage is coming, period, they cant up the retirement age any further, and the mainline pilots are not going to allow the regional scope to grow much more than it is, over the next 5 years this is going to hit, and its going to hit hard.
If you think you can predict which regional is better to go to right now then you think foolishly, in 3 years Eagle could be CH 7 for all you know, after a very fouled up spin off.
So my friend, yes I am comparing the two, and with sound advice of many friends in the airline industry on all levels. I have met people who picked one job over another because at the time it paid more, and they did not get the PIC turbine time, missed hiring windows, and are now 50 and still an FO at a major, while another guy took the job at the other place is now 55 and a 777 capt.
For example my Dad in 84 took a job at Eastern, instead of Piedmont, which would have put him in with a group of guy that went to USair very soon after. He did this on the advice of my Grandfather who told him, "Piedmont, what is Piedmont? Places like Piedmont come and go, however one thing I can guarantee you, is that there will always be an Eastern Airline." As you can see, things changed quickly, and I doubt anyone saw that coming.
Regardless of that I still want to work at Eagle, its my pick of the two overall for reasons you can read all over this site. However, the point I was trying to make is, IF they both hire me, Colgan is going to give me class date 3 weeks later almost right away, however Eagle will give me the conditional hiring, pending the review board, bg check etc, I am not sure it would be wise to put off/possibly lose Colgan on the gamble it all works out with Eagle. Ever heard a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush?
If you think you can predict which regional is better to go to right now then you think foolishly, in 3 years Eagle could be CH 7 for all you know, after a very fouled up spin off.
So my friend, yes I am comparing the two, and with sound advice of many friends in the airline industry on all levels. I have met people who picked one job over another because at the time it paid more, and they did not get the PIC turbine time, missed hiring windows, and are now 50 and still an FO at a major, while another guy took the job at the other place is now 55 and a 777 capt.
For example my Dad in 84 took a job at Eastern, instead of Piedmont, which would have put him in with a group of guy that went to USair very soon after. He did this on the advice of my Grandfather who told him, "Piedmont, what is Piedmont? Places like Piedmont come and go, however one thing I can guarantee you, is that there will always be an Eastern Airline." As you can see, things changed quickly, and I doubt anyone saw that coming.
Regardless of that I still want to work at Eagle, its my pick of the two overall for reasons you can read all over this site. However, the point I was trying to make is, IF they both hire me, Colgan is going to give me class date 3 weeks later almost right away, however Eagle will give me the conditional hiring, pending the review board, bg check etc, I am not sure it would be wise to put off/possibly lose Colgan on the gamble it all works out with Eagle. Ever heard a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush?
You go Colgan, then they merge the 3 seniority list (Mesaba, Pinnacle & Colgan)...3 words...
You are screwed!
Why??? Because now is not only waiting for upgrade in Colgan...you have to wait until all the FO's above you in all the 3 companies get their upgrades. So you stay 5 to 8 years as an FO with a crappy salary & QOL. Let me tell you that eagle will start seeing soon captains with only 3 years from being hired.
Just my advise. Go to the company that will get you a good salary & QOL...because as you said... you'll never know what will happen in the industry so you better protect yourself.
12-29-2010 | 04:25 PM
#755
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From: forever fo
i agree, my point was is everything is what ifs, i dont think you can say either one is better 5 years from now for sure. I want to work at Eagle for a bunch of what ifs.
What about this situation???
You go Colgan, then they merge the 3 seniority list (Mesaba, Pinnacle & Colgan)...3 words...
You are screwed!
Why??? Because now is not only waiting for upgrade in Colgan...you have to wait until all the FO's above you in all the 3 companies get their upgrades. So you stay 5 to 8 years as an FO with a crappy salary & QOL. Let me tell you that eagle will start seeing soon captains with only 3 years from being hired.
Just my advise. Go to the company that will get you a good salary & QOL...because as you said... you'll never know what will happen in the industry so you better protect yourself.
You go Colgan, then they merge the 3 seniority list (Mesaba, Pinnacle & Colgan)...3 words...
You are screwed!
Why??? Because now is not only waiting for upgrade in Colgan...you have to wait until all the FO's above you in all the 3 companies get their upgrades. So you stay 5 to 8 years as an FO with a crappy salary & QOL. Let me tell you that eagle will start seeing soon captains with only 3 years from being hired.
Just my advise. Go to the company that will get you a good salary & QOL...because as you said... you'll never know what will happen in the industry so you better protect yourself.
12-29-2010 | 04:33 PM
#756
SDQ Base Chief
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 6,079
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From: 320 CA
I'm happy I came to Eagle, but I know it isnt a good choice for many people. By dishing out info about life here at Eagle it allows people to make a more informed decision. I knew nothing about Eagle when I came here, and got lucky that it turned out to be a decent place for me.
12-29-2010 | 07:14 PM
#759
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Joined: Jul 2010
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I totally agree with ya, but all we can do is pass along info to people who are interested in Eagle. It is impossible to predict the future, or to know what is the best plan for someone else's career expectations, or to really know the current situation and day-to-day life at another carrier.
I'm happy I came to Eagle, but I know it isnt a good choice for many people. By dishing out info about life here at Eagle it allows people to make a more informed decision. I knew nothing about Eagle when I came here, and got lucky that it turned out to be a decent place for me.
I'm happy I came to Eagle, but I know it isnt a good choice for many people. By dishing out info about life here at Eagle it allows people to make a more informed decision. I knew nothing about Eagle when I came here, and got lucky that it turned out to be a decent place for me.
12-29-2010 | 08:05 PM
#760
Line Holder
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 75
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From: 737
hey all,
bit of topic here but I interviewed Nov. 8th and will be part of the jan. 3rd class. they were very candid on the phone this morning, told me my seniority number within the class of 24 and told me what to expect for base/bid breakdowns. apparently there are no CRJ slots for newhires out of any base.
sounds like 2 EMB ORD, 7 EMB DFW, the rest were ATR's MIA. not sure what I'll bid-if there's any EMB ORD guys out there how long does the reserve look like it could last? would I be wise to bid ATR and then go CRJ after a year? and, what am I about to get into? (good or bad) good luck to all those interviewing coming up, I've said this before on here but eagle again reiterated today they plan to hire like crazy in 2011.
bit of topic here but I interviewed Nov. 8th and will be part of the jan. 3rd class. they were very candid on the phone this morning, told me my seniority number within the class of 24 and told me what to expect for base/bid breakdowns. apparently there are no CRJ slots for newhires out of any base.
sounds like 2 EMB ORD, 7 EMB DFW, the rest were ATR's MIA. not sure what I'll bid-if there's any EMB ORD guys out there how long does the reserve look like it could last? would I be wise to bid ATR and then go CRJ after a year? and, what am I about to get into? (good or bad) good luck to all those interviewing coming up, I've said this before on here but eagle again reiterated today they plan to hire like crazy in 2011.
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