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Old 11-30-2010 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
So what happens if you wait for the great paying regional with great work rules...

and wake up 8 years later to realize you'd be at a major by now if you went to a crappy regional?

As I've said, getting to a major isn't everything. Its pathetic how guys are willing to sell themselves just to get to a major that much sooner. I'd rather be at a regional for 10 years making a good salary and start my life instead of putting everything on hold until I get to a major. Is your job at a major airline gonna be there to wipe your a s s when you're 80? Its all about family people, not this stupid career. Having the goal to get to a major is a great one to have, but not at the expense of yourself and your family. Its pretty damn selfish to put your family through a job at the Colgan's of the industry. To each his own, but this career is becoming less and less worth it every day. I truly love what I do, but its watching people give their lives for this stupid job that is going to make me quit in the end, not the job itself.
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Old 11-30-2010 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by JetBlast77
As I've said, getting to a major isn't everything. Its pathetic how guys are willing to sell themselves just to get to a major that much sooner. I'd rather be at a regional for 10 years making a good salary and start my life instead of putting everything on hold until I get to a major. Is your job at a major airline gonna be there to wipe your a s s when you're 80? Its all about family people, not this stupid career. Having the goal to get to a major is a great one to have, but not at the expense of yourself and your family. Its pretty damn selfish to put your family through a job at the Colgan's of the industry. To each his own, but this career is becoming less and less worth it every day. I truly love what I do, but its watching people give their lives for this stupid job that is going to make me quit in the end, not the job itself.
+1! Thank you!!
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Old 11-30-2010 | 07:48 PM
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Yep, it is all about family... the family I chose to support and be with when I'm sittin with a great schedule making decent money while I'm at a major at the back end of my career making double what I would have made at a regional.
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Old 11-30-2010 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JetBlast77
I'd rather be at a regional for 10 years making a good salary and start my life instead of putting everything on hold until I get to a major.
What if 10 years was how long it took for your regional to furlough you, and every one of those 10 years you were on FO pay, and 7 of them were on reserve?

That's how it's looking for the many of the guys at Comair, the "great pay great QOL" regional if you had asked 8 years ago...
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Old 11-30-2010 | 08:21 PM
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I put my entire life on hold waiting to get on second year pay at a major. There would have been a point where I would have just given up on this career. Luckily I didn't hit it.
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Old 12-01-2010 | 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by JetBlast77
As I've said, getting to a major isn't everything. Its pathetic how guys are willing to sell themselves just to get to a major that much sooner. I'd rather be at a regional for 10 years making a good salary and start my life instead of putting everything on hold until I get to a major. Is your job at a major airline gonna be there to wipe your a s s when you're 80? Its all about family people, not this stupid career. Having the goal to get to a major is a great one to have, but not at the expense of yourself and your family. Its pretty damn selfish to put your family through a job at the Colgan's of the industry. To each his own, but this career is becoming less and less worth it every day. I truly love what I do, but its watching people give their lives for this stupid job that is going to make me quit in the end, not the job itself.
It's not pathetic. It's playing the system... your entire existence is dependent on one thing and one thing alone - your date of hire... nothing else. Absolutely NOTHING ELSE! Your type ratings, your experience, your time in this industry, your accolades, NOTHING... just your date of hire. Those other things are just means to get that one thing - date of hire on the seniority list.

So what do you expect? Reasoning? Rational thinking? Pride? Sorry, it doesn't mean a thing in the airline industry - only your date of hire.

As people say, "don't hate the playa, hate the game."
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Old 12-01-2010 | 04:05 AM
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just plan your career as you think it might work....if it doesn't well you tried but nobody has a crystal ball to see what's coming tomorrow, and all the pilots here questioning people that go to colgan,eagle,pinnacle....let me ask them...did you guys get the $70.000 job right off CFIng?????
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Old 12-01-2010 | 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
It's not pathetic. It's playing the system... your entire existence is dependent on one thing and one thing alone - your date of hire... nothing else. Absolutely NOTHING ELSE! Your type ratings, your experience, your time in this industry, your accolades, NOTHING... just your date of hire. Those other things are just means to get that one thing - date of hire on the seniority list.

So what do you expect? Reasoning? Rational thinking? Pride? Sorry, it doesn't mean a thing in the airline industry - only your date of hire.

As people say, "don't hate the playa, hate the game."
Playing what system? I think you missed Jetblast77's entire point. Your post is nothing new, we all know what seniority means. There is a point though where one needs to decide what is more important to them...family or sacrificing your family for a job that may or may not have the desired result you are looking for, which in the end may result in losing your family. Lucky for me at the moment i do not have any children or a wife so i have a little more flexibility. Remember at some point you will retire from this industry and i hope your family or future family is still by your side, because the only thing your DOH will get you then will be standby travel.

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Old 12-01-2010 | 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by JetBlast77
As I've said, getting to a major isn't everything. Its pathetic how guys are willing to sell themselves just to get to a major that much sooner. I'd rather be at a regional for 10 years making a good salary and start my life instead of putting everything on hold until I get to a major. Is your job at a major airline gonna be there to wipe your a s s when you're 80? Its all about family people, not this stupid career. Having the goal to get to a major is a great one to have, but not at the expense of yourself and your family. Its pretty damn selfish to put your family through a job at the Colgan's of the industry. To each his own, but this career is becoming less and less worth it every day. I truly love what I do, but its watching people give their lives for this stupid job that is going to make me quit in the end, not the job itself.
Bravo!!! Now if we can get the other 30,000 knuckleheads to wake up...this might be a cool job.
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Old 12-01-2010 | 05:46 AM
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My contribution to this thread. Take it or leave it. (If you could care less about working for Southwest then please keep the flames to yourself.) If you are starting out in this business and want to fly for Southwest some day . . . . . here is something to think about.

I don't have the break down of the entire current pilot pool at SWA - 170+ pilots. Here is a breakdown of the partial list I do have. It may or may not be safe to assume that it is representative of the entire list. Of the SWA poolies that made it past the 2nd Decision Board last month and will likely start training in Jan/Feb/Mar of 2011:

Pilots and where they work:

TV Shows "The Bachelor/Dancing With The Stars" - 0

Pinnacle - 1
Colgan - 1
Greak Lakes - 1
Air Wisconsin - 1
Horizon - 1
Shuttle America -2
Chautauqua -2
Allegiant - 3
ExpressJet - 4
Mesa - 5
JetBlue - 5
Skywest - 8

Mainline Delta/Continental/United/American/Omni/ATA/747/Corporate - 15

Navy/Air Force/Marines - 74

If anybody reading this has any additional information on pilots from specific regionals please feel free to chime in. Again this is only a partial list.
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