Great 401k? Really? 0-6 years 1.5% match, right now at 9E we get 1.25%. I was hoping for 5%+, oh well I guess I have to wait until I get over 6 years.

 

I was being sarcastic

 

20% raise and the work rules you never had on your very first contract ever and it's a definite no vote? seriously? Fine go back to the old Colgan for the next few years. You do realize overall Colgan got the lion's share of this deal, with 9e being second and XJ 3rd?

 

9e and XJ folks, don't get too concerned about what the 9L people say. Even if every Colgan pilot votes "no", it will only take about 62% of each of your groups to ratify.

 

Totally agreed. I've been told lots how great the Mesaba 401k is but lets really look at it... 25% match for the first six years... then 50 % match for the next 5... then 75% for the next five and 100% for years 16-20 and 125% for 20 plus... I don't know why they left off the Gazillion percent match for years 30+.... maybe because it would have blown their cover.... "Yes lets offer them 125% match at 20 plus years...that only encompasses like 15 guys total and the rest of them will see the carrot and say GREAT!!"
And that's before we even talk about the fact that it doesn't vest for 5 years.... so if you leave before five years the company match is.... 0%.
A previous airline of mine offered 1.5% defined contribution... meaning you got it without putting in anything... and THEN they matched.
Mesaba's 401k is 1000% better than colgan's since they had 0% match, but it's not hugely better than Pinnacle's and it certainly isn't "industry leading" It's just ok.

 

From a 9E perspective, this TA will pass. Comparing many of the work rules and soft pay, this is much better than TA1. You also have to remember the most important thing about this CBA, scope. This will lock in protections that will hold corp responsible for protecting our future. Now SLI, that will be the real challenge.

 

we still see a decent net gain even with the new family insurance. If we didn't our neg comittee would not have accepted this TA. And the insurance cost is still on par with the rest of corporate America, if not still slightly below cost.

 

I knew it was going to go up and I really had nothing to compare the new plan to, but talking to other guys in other industries it still seemed like an ok deal. I think guys got used to paying 30 bucks a month for everything (single). Do we keep our current plan through 2011? This would stand to reason since we've already signed up and agreed to rates for 2011.

 

Actually, I think this IS an industry leading contract....

The first regional contract to have a "B" scale!

 

I see Colgan as the kids eating dessert and they got pie and cake, and cupcakes and cookies and ice cream and they see XJ guys with the same ice cream he always had and say.. "but he got chocolate syrup!!!!"
Colgan guys are getting a huge boost in work rule protections, and they're saying... "but some Mesaba guys are gonna get paid more to fly the saab for awhile"....
Well lets say we all reject this deal... the Mesaba guys still have 90% of this stuff AND the better pay and the Colgan guys have almost nothing... Kinda sounds like cutting off your nose to spite your face to me...
I'm betting if the negotiating committee COULD have gotten Mesaba SAAB rates for everyone they WOULD have... so I take this as a signal they couldn't get them and didn't want to give XJ guys a paycut.