Thanks higney.

 

Here is 22.B.2

I don't see where 9E gets to change the dates.

 

Bartok- you're not getting it. Two different things: 22.b.2 and agreed upon transition LOA. Your MEC agreed upon the transition LOA.

 

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Originally Posted by glyde
I hope we're not paying this guy. This thing has been delayed 5 times now, talk about unprofessional. And it seems all our MECs are just saying it's OK. This guy is as bad as 9E/9L management and our union reps are just accepting it, makes me irate.

I would assume it would be a bad idea to get an attitude with or start to push the arbitrator.

You're the MEC of XYZ Airline's pilot group. You want it done now. "You need to quit delaying, we're not just going to accept this anymore." could very easily lead to an "Ok, it is really easy, fast, and simple to just staple you to the other airlines' groups."

Like it or not, everyone has to be nice to this guy and give him the time he needs.



He should do his job, as promised, on time. That is what is expected of all of us everyday. That is what should be expected of the arbitrator. When he says "I know it's due Monday but I'll get to you by next Friday" then it's "It's all done but I just want to review it over the weekend" now it's "can you just send me a new list of pilots?" It's just unprofessional.

 

22.B.2 is signing and forward. LOA 2 (Transition) dictates changes intermediary and past/future correctives. Here it is:

V. Pinnacle Pilots' Date of Hire Correction
A Pinnacle Pilot who is hired prior to February 18, 2011 shall have his date of hire
adjusted to the first day such Pilot commenced training, however, the pilot's longevity
date shall not be adjusted.

You can't get more clear than that.

I won't go into what is "the hold up". I am not on the merger committee or MEC (anymore). I am only showing what was talked about within this thread to being "unrealistic" since it's covered in black and white. In addition as a personal mindset if this IS the case/holdup I find that to be a horrible way to try and conduct things. Not keeping everyone on an equal starting metric is running a race and giving 2/3 a 3 second head start. Makes no sense at this point. I don't care what's going on behind the scenes- I am sure Bloch sees the big picture, but I would like to see the list.

 

Thank you for finding this.

But the certified lists used for SLI had to be submitted by:

"c. Certified seniority lists will be exchanged on or about November 29, 2010."

The transition portion you are referring to wasn't signed until Feb 2011 and doesn't say anything about using those dates for SLI.

 

And before anyone starts attacking me unnecessarily, my stance has always been that 9E would change their dates.

I am just trying to find out where it says they can.

 

We certified our list with the correct dates before that date.

 

I'd love to see how much difference that even makes.. maybe moves a few people 10 people either way. I'm sick of the fighting. Pinnacle says this, Mesaba says that, Colgan says whatever. I don't want to screw anybody, are there scenarios that are more of a windfall to me personally? Yes. Do you see me telling everyone which way it should go? No. Because my opinion doesn't matter, it will be whatever Bloc wants whenever he's good and ready to tell us. Let's just all be adults, stop arguing whatever will be best for us personally and just wait.

Now if anyone wants to b*^%$ about this thing dragging out forever and being promised it'll be done on day X... count me in, I'm ready for it to be over!

 

The certified lists accepted by all 3 and used in all modeling was the 9E list with DOH as class start date. That I do distinctly remember before leaving. Class date/checkride date differential was not used. It was pre-discussed, agreed upon, put into the contract (writing), as well as agreed upon by all 3 mec's/all 3 pilot groups. It has always been this way. "By rumor" until today.