Mesaba's dispute?
05-27-2011 | 10:52 AM
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Another point to consider: ALPA merger policy partially defines DOH as being in the company payroll system. It says nothing about actually BEING PAID. From day one we filled out all of our employment verification paperwork and received an employee number. Is it unreasonable to assume that all this information wouldn't be entered into the payroll system right from the start, but that they obviously wouldn't cut checks until we passed our checkride? Or for people hired after 2006 we also got paid from day one as well. So using our class start date as our ALPA merger policy DOH is completely reasonable.
05-27-2011 | 10:54 AM
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I seriously doubt this claim, and caution you from spreading that mis-information. You should either retract this claim, or cite your source.
05-27-2011 | 10:59 AM
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Everything in this thread is normal SLI conversation. Just wait till the Airtran/SWA integration. The Delta/NWA one got ugly as well, but the mods deleted 99% of those posts.
How does everyone at 9E verify their respective DOH's to create a certified list and then suddenly this list changes on the day the award is supposed to come out? Can anyone answer that question, Scott, Higney, anyone??
How does everyone at 9E verify their respective DOH's to create a certified list and then suddenly this list changes on the day the award is supposed to come out? Can anyone answer that question, Scott, Higney, anyone??
05-27-2011 | 11:08 AM
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I haven't based my opinion of the 9E Union leadership on false rumors.
--Right. Because *they* spread the rumors. Not people like you.
I base it on years of failed contract negotiations, the uncalled for picketing event and subsequent tearing down of the two other pilot groups in December.
--Tearing down? I would have thought that was XJ and 9L sticking the knife in the back of the pilots who were prepared to do something rather than wait to wrap their lips around the company line one more time...
I base my opinion on the 9E SLI proposal and the incompetence of the merger committee to submit a correct seniority list and then to proceed to place the blame for them not doing their job correctly on the company.
--Do you know any of this statement to be factually correct? Or are you just repeating what you have heard/made up?
Or the worst case scenario they purposely submitted a known incorrect list they purposely doctored.
--So you *don't* know what is factually correct. But still you are spreading accusations.
I form my opinion based on the actions of the merger committee using the Delta gate swap as a last chance grasp at getting the upper hand with Bloch.
--Again, where did you hear this and what FACTS do you have to back it up?
If you were at another company what would your opinion be of the 9E Union leadership?
--Probably wouldn't think much about it. I would be worried about my own company.
I gave 9E leadership multiple chances and always gave them the benefit of the doubt, but no more. This SLI thing was the last nail in the coffin for me.
--What part of the following do you not understand?
(a) The MEC has nothing to do with the SLI process. Not at 9E, XJ, or 9L. They are autonomous.
(b) The SLI members are operating without substantive communication to membership at Bloch's direction.
(c) Mr. Bloch is a 70+ year-old former law professor who has handled far more important issue than what order some self-entitled Gen-Y pilot gets to upgrade or how some lifer captain with a DUI gets to bid vacation. He might even be under the presumption that you are mature enough to wait an extra week while he gets everything correct.
(d) All of the facts and positions will be fully disclosed when the award is made. So there really is nothing being "kept" from you.
Which MEC are you mad at? WG, SE, or CS? Or are you just mad at "those guys"? Three very different MEC leaders with changing LECs over the past 12 years.
You say it's the last straw. Fine. Go non-member paying or quit. Or do something more constructive than spreading lies on here.
--Right. Because *they* spread the rumors. Not people like you.
I base it on years of failed contract negotiations, the uncalled for picketing event and subsequent tearing down of the two other pilot groups in December.
--Tearing down? I would have thought that was XJ and 9L sticking the knife in the back of the pilots who were prepared to do something rather than wait to wrap their lips around the company line one more time...
I base my opinion on the 9E SLI proposal and the incompetence of the merger committee to submit a correct seniority list and then to proceed to place the blame for them not doing their job correctly on the company.
--Do you know any of this statement to be factually correct? Or are you just repeating what you have heard/made up?
Or the worst case scenario they purposely submitted a known incorrect list they purposely doctored.
--So you *don't* know what is factually correct. But still you are spreading accusations.
I form my opinion based on the actions of the merger committee using the Delta gate swap as a last chance grasp at getting the upper hand with Bloch.
--Again, where did you hear this and what FACTS do you have to back it up?
If you were at another company what would your opinion be of the 9E Union leadership?
--Probably wouldn't think much about it. I would be worried about my own company.
I gave 9E leadership multiple chances and always gave them the benefit of the doubt, but no more. This SLI thing was the last nail in the coffin for me.
--What part of the following do you not understand?
(a) The MEC has nothing to do with the SLI process. Not at 9E, XJ, or 9L. They are autonomous.
(b) The SLI members are operating without substantive communication to membership at Bloch's direction.
(c) Mr. Bloch is a 70+ year-old former law professor who has handled far more important issue than what order some self-entitled Gen-Y pilot gets to upgrade or how some lifer captain with a DUI gets to bid vacation. He might even be under the presumption that you are mature enough to wait an extra week while he gets everything correct.
(d) All of the facts and positions will be fully disclosed when the award is made. So there really is nothing being "kept" from you.
Which MEC are you mad at? WG, SE, or CS? Or are you just mad at "those guys"? Three very different MEC leaders with changing LECs over the past 12 years.
You say it's the last straw. Fine. Go non-member paying or quit. Or do something more constructive than spreading lies on here.
Your own Union officials publically announced they messed the list up and then blamed the company. How can you claim that is a rumor? I admit I don't know if it was purposefully doctored. The fact the list was messed up and it was blamed on the company is not a rumor.
The December picketing event was a huge black eye for your leadership, how can you deny that? There are no baseless rumors, your leadership flat out blew it. I gave your leadership the benefit of the doubt and supported them to my own pilot group and even supported 9E over my own Union leadership. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I'm confused, did the December picketing debacle not happen? Or am I suppose to just ignore that event when I decide where to voice my support in future Union elections?
Call your merger committee chair and ask him point blank if he submitted the Delta slot swap announced this week as further evidence strengthening their case for their proposed SLI method. I have nothing to show you to prove this to you, you can take this as hearsay. I know it happened but fine you can call it a rumor. Other than this what is rumor? Where are the lies I am spreading?
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05-27-2011 | 11:10 AM
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This would be true if you were to remain an isolated seniority list, or were to be stapled. However, I'm guessing being stapled is not something you find appropriate, even if your merger committee thinks it is appropriate for another group to be stapled below them.
DOH becomes a relevant factor for then sorting/integrating pilots from multiple lists.
DOH becomes a relevant factor for then sorting/integrating pilots from multiple lists.
05-27-2011 | 11:15 AM
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What ever happens after this process, and after new union representation is voted on. I really hope that union personnel stop commenting on public forums and stop adding to the banter on here specifically, to my knowledge no other union comments on public forums other than the 9E reps...
05-27-2011 | 11:16 AM
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05-27-2011 | 11:19 AM
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Honestly? I don't know. Probably because they were cheapskates and back in the day wanted to avoid paying people as long as possible. It was only when they couldn't find anyone for classes during the last hiring boom that they starting paying people from day one.
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