Originally Posted by cencal83406

Well we have finally established something here. All this talk of the 9E merger guys last minute modifying the list is OPINION. Perhaps to politicize this process and gain favor with the respective "former" pilot groups?

No one liked Pinnacle's proposal for SLI. We might not have liked Mesaba or Colgan's, but the slander campaign has largely been driven by folks other than 9E pilots.

Can't we just grow up and leave the smack talk out of it? I suggest that every line pilot encourages their merger committee to start a 3 way dialog with the others so that facts can be presented between the actual important players.

Originally Posted by Terry Hunter

Again, you won't quote your source, so I choose to not believe what you claim. Bye Bye.

Originally Posted by cencal83406

Well we have finally established something here. All this talk of the 9E merger guys last minute modifying the list is OPINION. Perhaps to politicize this process and gain favor with the respective "former" pilot groups?

No one liked Pinnacle's proposal for SLI. We might not have liked Mesaba or Colgan's, but the slander campaign has largely been driven by folks other than 9E pilots.

Can't we just grow up and leave the smack talk out of it? I suggest that every line pilot encourages their merger committee to start a 3 way dialog with the others so that facts can be presented between the actual important players.

Originally Posted by jayray2

I haven't based my opinion of the 9E Union leadership on false rumors. I base it on years of failed contract negotiations, the uncalled for picketing event and subsequent tearing down of the two other pilot groups in December. I base my opinion on the 9E SLI proposal and the incompetence of the merger committee to submit a correct seniority list and then to proceed to place the blame for them not doing their job correctly on the company. Or the worst case scenario they purposely submitted a known incorrect list they purposely doctored. I form my opinion based on the actions of the merger committee using the Delta gate swap as a last chance grasp at getting the upper hand with Bloch. If you were at another company what would your opinion be of the 9E Union leadership? I gave 9E leadership multiple chances and always gave them the benefit of the doubt, but no more. This SLI thing was the last nail in the coffin for me.

Originally Posted by jayray2

Inconceivable, you can retort this the same way you did other rumor laced posts. Or do posts that support your side fall under a different set of rules?

Originally Posted by Terry Hunter

So, Pinnacle pays people as independent contractors while in training to avoid paying social security taxes, benefits, etc?

Is it true that if you don't pass your checkride, you are not offered a job?

Originally Posted by Terry Hunter

Cencal,
I agree. I think we should leave the smack out of it. I'm not one to suggest the Pinnacle Merger Committee intentionally submitted a list with false information on it. And, I'm not trying to sling mud about who-said-what during negotiations.

I would disagree that "No one like the Pinnacle's proposal for SLI"... somebody, or some group had to endorse that being presented. Seriously.... a staple?? At least we can confirm that as fact.

Originally Posted by tennisguru

Using our start of class date as our DOH complies with ALPA merger policy. Obviously we were starting operational training. From the very start of class we had employee numbers and were in the pinnacle HR system. And if, for arguments sake, there was any ambiguity in ALPA merger policy, it can never trump US employment law. On day one we had to fill out the I-9 employment verification form. US law states that this form must be filled out by the employee 'at the actual time of employment.' Employers are required to complete their part of the I-9 form within three days of the employee starting work. All this paper work was done right from the start so the government considered us employees. You can't argue that we were contractors until we passed our checkride because the I-9 form is not required for contractors.

Originally Posted by jayray2

I haven't based my opinion of the 9E Union leadership on false rumors. I base it on years of failed contract negotiations, the uncalled for picketing event and subsequent tearing down of the two other pilot groups in December. I base my opinion on the 9E SLI proposal and the incompetence of the merger committee to submit a correct seniority list and then to proceed to place the blame for them not doing their job correctly on the company. Or the worst case scenario they purposely submitted a known incorrect list they purposely doctored. I form my opinion based on the actions of the merger committee using the Delta gate swap as a last chance grasp at getting the upper hand with Bloch. If you were at another company what would your opinion be of the 9E Union leadership? I gave 9E leadership multiple chances and always gave them the benefit of the doubt, but no more. This SLI thing was the last nail in the coffin for me.

Originally Posted by Terry Hunter

I'd say that if you are quoting your opinion, that is fine. However, when someone is on border-line libel, it is inappropriate to make the claim aforementioned. Would you agree?

Originally Posted by mooney

as opposed to not passing your initial checkrides and getting fired from the job? Just to be clear, pinnacle has been trough paid training, pay for training, no pay in training, some pay in training, hotel for training, no hotel for training, as many other regionals have.......that aspect can't be used for this pilot group.

Originally Posted by IBPilot

So Terry why don't you attack jayray for his nonfactual libel? oh yeah cause he is anti-pinnacle union too....