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Old 05-27-2011 | 03:16 PM
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If Bloch rules in favor of Mesaba, I would expect the 9E merger committee ask for time to contest it. If granted, I'm sure it would greatly extend the time frame for the list to be published.
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Old 05-27-2011 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
With that being said, I don't know why it's taken a full week to research one issue. Everything I've heard says that Bloch hasn't requested any more info from any pilot group since Tuesday. Maybe it's more complicated than any of us know. Either way now that it's the holiday weekend Bloch is probably out getting a tan on some beach somewhere and will get back to us sometime next week.
I'm sure this isn't the only thing that he has going on in his life. Remember, he took an additional weekend to review a decision he had ALREADY made. This is the introduction of a new factor in his decision.
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Old 05-27-2011 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by undsioux1
The issue is that Mesaba is disputing what is classified as our hire dates. If this was not being disputed I'm guessing we would have a list right now. All errors on the Pinnacle list were corrected within a day and sent to Bloch.
If that is the case then ***??
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Old 05-27-2011 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
And what is ALPA's definition of "hire date"?
You want to punish 1290 pilots for the actions of 3 by integrating us by our checkride DOH?

Just to be clear as well, I am senior on the 9E list to folks who had their checkrides before I did. Beyond the SLI proposals, I just don't think it's right to punish us for a Pinnacle-ism.
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Old 05-27-2011 | 04:05 PM
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Mesaba is disputing 9E pilots having their DOH be their DOH? I pray that isn't true, if it were it would be a totally illogical, petty, and douchy thing to do. My exerience with them (XJ ALPA) has been such that I truly doubt that is the story. But if it proves true, what a shameful embaressment to my pilot group!
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Old 05-27-2011 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
You want to punish 1290 pilots for the actions of 3 by integrating us by our checkride DOH?

Just to be clear as well, I am senior on the 9E list to folks who had their checkrides before I did. Beyond the SLI proposals, I just don't think it's right to punish us for a Pinnacle-ism.
Youre attacking the wrong person.

Look up my posts before you go off, thank you.

I just want to know if XJ has a leg to stand on, and everyone at 9E is skirting the issue and telling how they feel it SHOULD be.

Step back and see if they really have a case. Were 9E pilots really not hired under ALPA rules until checkride?
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Old 05-27-2011 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
Were 9E pilots really not hired until checkride?
Fixed it for you and Yes.
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Old 05-27-2011 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
Youre attacking the wrong person.

Look up my posts before you go off, thank you.

I just want to know if XJ has a leg to stand on, and everyone at 9E is skirting the issue and telling how they feel it SHOULD be.

Step back and see if they really have a case. Were 9E pilots really not hired under ALPA rules until checkride?
I don't see that they do.

1. We filled out I-9's day 1 and the company aknowledled us as employees.
2. Process/protocol agreement allowed modification.
3. The JNC specifically bargained for 9E dates adjusted back.
4. The lists from 7/1 used by the merger groups contained both dates.
5. The "date" that XJ and CJC want used has been removed in accordance with the JCBA provision.
6. Under labor law and ALPA merger policy our current list (representing day 1 of class in seniority order) is legal and to be used.


This is XJ and CJC fighting for their pilots and hoping to win. This battle was lost when LOA2.V was signed and unanimously endorsed by all 3 MEC's.
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Old 05-27-2011 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by higney85
I don't see that they do.

1. We filled out I-9's day 1 and the company aknowledled us as employees.
2. Process/protocol agreement allowed modification.
3. The JNC specifically bargained for 9E dates adjusted back.
4. The lists from 7/1 used by the merger groups contained both dates.
5. The "date" that XJ and CJC want used has been removed in accordance with the JCBA provision.
6. Under labor law and ALPA merger policy our current list (representing day 1 of class in seniority order) is legal and to be used.


This is XJ and CJC fighting for their pilots and hoping to win. This battle was lost when LOA2.V was signed and unanimously endorsed by all 3 MEC's.
Thank you for your response.

I personally just want this done so I can start making future plans.

If I was on 9E's SLI committee I would have found a way to make a deal with XJ for straight DOH and the 2 together make a deal with Colgan during negotiations.

It always was 9E's best option.
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Old 05-27-2011 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
Thank you for your response.

I personally just want this done so I can start making future plans.

If I was on 9E's SLI committee I would have found a way to make a deal with XJ for straight DOH and the 2 together make a deal with Colgan during negotiations.

It always was 9E's best option.
I'm pretty sure Bloch would have seen through that and we would have no unity when this settles. At least in current form all 3 sides are trying to throw each other in front of busses and simply fighting for their own pilots. If it was just 2 groups coming together to begin with I don't think this would be as messy, then again the word "seniority" insights blood pressure spikes regardless.
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