Mesaba's dispute?
06-02-2011 | 04:39 AM
#291
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So they throw in an unverified list to meet a deadline and it's got errors (Pinnacle Corp does the list)... People complain.
So a new list is requested and the committee has to sort through the error filled company list to certify it as accurate. Time elapses... People complain.
I think some folks are just looking for something, anything, to "prove" that the 9E guys are idiots. Why not just be patient?
Did I mention that the company maintains the list?
So a new list is requested and the committee has to sort through the error filled company list to certify it as accurate. Time elapses... People complain.
I think some folks are just looking for something, anything, to "prove" that the 9E guys are idiots. Why not just be patient?
Did I mention that the company maintains the list?
9E has what, 2 or 3 different DOH lists now?
They are just variations on the same theme, compile them and send them all in, let Bloch decide which one to use.
06-02-2011 | 04:41 AM
#292
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You guys need to seriously chill. Since the list has to be certified, all three merger committee members need to ratify it before being sent in. The last member of the 9E committee finishes flying tomorrow night, and then is flying to meet up with the other two members. Once he gives it his final OK, the list can be sent in. If you don't remember, there is a bit of a staffing crisis going on at 9E which has prevented this from finishing sooner.
06-02-2011 | 04:49 AM
#293
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You're absolutely right, if all three members need to verify the accuracy of the list then they should wait. Now if there were only some way to magically transmit a few pages digitally over a telephone or cable line, they could just send it to wherever he was.......I guess I'm a dreamer and hope someday in the future we could do this but until then, we'll have to wait because the pony and pony express rider would never make it in time.
At least we still have our hoverboards.....
06-02-2011 | 05:36 AM
#295
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To all Pinnacle pilots,
This is not flame bait by any means, but this is exactly why you sat for over 6 years without a contract. Not because of the company or circumstances, but for one reason only.
Your MEC and elected leaders. They truly do chase their tails in a circle while the other side of the table watches in dis-belief.
S.E and C.S are running for MEC Chairman and Vice Chairman for our group. I respect your willingness to serve and admire the fact that you take action to advance a pilot group, but the simple matter is this. Both of you do not have the leadership skills, for sight, or strategies to advance our pilot group where we want to go.
Once this SLI is over we move to elections. I hope all the Pinnacle pilots can take past examples into account when they cast their votes for elected positions.
This is not flame bait by any means, but this is exactly why you sat for over 6 years without a contract. Not because of the company or circumstances, but for one reason only.
Your MEC and elected leaders. They truly do chase their tails in a circle while the other side of the table watches in dis-belief.
S.E and C.S are running for MEC Chairman and Vice Chairman for our group. I respect your willingness to serve and admire the fact that you take action to advance a pilot group, but the simple matter is this. Both of you do not have the leadership skills, for sight, or strategies to advance our pilot group where we want to go.
Once this SLI is over we move to elections. I hope all the Pinnacle pilots can take past examples into account when they cast their votes for elected positions.
06-02-2011 | 06:02 AM
#296
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From: 73N
To all Pinnacle pilots,
This is not flame bait by any means, but this is exactly why you sat for over 6 years without a contract. Not because of the company or circumstances, but for one reason only.
Your MEC and elected leaders. They truly do chase their tails in a circle while the other side of the table watches in dis-belief.
S.E and C.S are running for MEC Chairman and Vice Chairman for our group. I respect your willingness to serve and admire the fact that you take action to advance a pilot group, but the simple matter is this. Both of you do not have the leadership skills, for sight, or strategies to advance our pilot group where we want to go.
Once this SLI is over we move to elections. I hope all the Pinnacle pilots can take past examples into account when they cast their votes for elected positions.
This is not flame bait by any means, but this is exactly why you sat for over 6 years without a contract. Not because of the company or circumstances, but for one reason only.
Your MEC and elected leaders. They truly do chase their tails in a circle while the other side of the table watches in dis-belief.
S.E and C.S are running for MEC Chairman and Vice Chairman for our group. I respect your willingness to serve and admire the fact that you take action to advance a pilot group, but the simple matter is this. Both of you do not have the leadership skills, for sight, or strategies to advance our pilot group where we want to go.
Once this SLI is over we move to elections. I hope all the Pinnacle pilots can take past examples into account when they cast their votes for elected positions.
06-02-2011 | 06:15 AM
#297
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From: Making them puke from the left
Why don't we wait until the list comes out to see who were the best leaders for their respective pilot groups. I think all these disputes were a political play by the XJ MEC to delay the inevitable and paint the 9E guys in a bad light and solidify more votes from Colgan. My guess, they see the writing on the wall and the only way to gain support is to make the other guys look worse than they do. Don't you think there is a reason the communications from the XJ and 9L MECs have thrown 9E under the bus at every oppourtunity? Then again, maybe you are one of them so...
06-02-2011 | 06:19 AM
#298
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Why don't we wait until the list comes out to see who were the best leaders for their respective pilot groups. I think all these disputes were a political play by the XJ MEC to delay the inevitable and paint the 9E guys in a bad light and solidify more votes from Colgan. My guess, they see the writing on the wall and the only way to gain support is to make the other guys look worse than they do. Don't you think there is a reason the communications from the XJ and 9L MECs have thrown 9E under the bus at every oppourtunity? Then again, maybe you are one of them so...
06-02-2011 | 06:22 AM
#299
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Why don't we wait until the list comes out to see who were the best leaders for their respective pilot groups. I think all these disputes were a political play by the XJ MEC to delay the inevitable and paint the 9E guys in a bad light and solidify more votes from Colgan. My guess, they see the writing on the wall and the only way to gain support is to make the other guys look worse than they do. Don't you think there is a reason the communications from the XJ and 9L MECs have thrown 9E under the bus at every oppourtunity? Then again, maybe you are one of them so...
That's pretty funny!
Why the hell are we waiting on something that was supposed to be completed last November!
06-02-2011 | 06:29 AM
#300
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From what I've been told, all the errors found on the first submission of the list sent on that Monday morning were fixed either by that night or the following morning. Yes, it caused a delay, but of no more than 24 hours. Ever since then the delay was just waiting on Bloch to decide how he was going to address the Pinnacle DOH issue brought up by XJ.
I don't know what the delay is now. My guess just some due diligence since as it was pointed out earlier if they hurried and got it wrong they would be blasted, and now that they are taking their time to get it right they are being blasted.
I don't know what the delay is now. My guess just some due diligence since as it was pointed out earlier if they hurried and got it wrong they would be blasted, and now that they are taking their time to get it right they are being blasted.
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