Mesaba's dispute?
05-27-2011 | 01:47 PM
#251
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Oh yes, the classic call everything you don't agree with stupid and indirectly call the supplier of said information stupid.
Again, since you didn't seem to ready my other post, the December picketing blunder happened. No rumor, no lies. The list submitted was not correct, I admitted I didn't know if it was intentional. Your leaders publically admitted to submitting an incorrect list and proceeded to blame the company. No lies, no rumors. It is public knowledge, do you need me dig it up and repost it for you? The Delta swap thing, call your merger committe chair and report back here with what you find.
Again, since you didn't seem to ready my other post, the December picketing blunder happened. No rumor, no lies. The list submitted was not correct, I admitted I didn't know if it was intentional. Your leaders publically admitted to submitting an incorrect list and proceeded to blame the company. No lies, no rumors. It is public knowledge, do you need me dig it up and repost it for you? The Delta swap thing, call your merger committe chair and report back here with what you find.
Regarding the list: every list sent in to the groups before 5/23 was certified by the merger committee. On Monday the committee sent in a list obtained directly from the company to the arbitrator and openly stated it was not certified. ALPA does not maintain the seniority list, the COMPANY does. If you have an issue with Pinnacle screwing up paperwork then turn in your resignation letter tomorrow. The list was not certified to get it in in a timely fashion. It would have taken at least a full day, maybe two to certify the list. In that case the same people claiming 9E doctored the list would be probably be blaming them for holding up the award.
These attacks by ALL pilot groups here is pointless. The fight here is not between the pilot groups. Everybody needs to realize that once this is done we are all on the same team!!
05-27-2011 | 01:56 PM
#252
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Section 1, Employee
This part of the form must be completed no later than the time of hire, which is the actual beginning of employment. (emphasis added)
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-9.pdf
So, it could be completed on DOH, a day, a week, or a year prior to employment.
05-27-2011 | 02:07 PM
#253
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I have a feeling a bunch of 200 guys would have had kittens.
05-27-2011 | 02:30 PM
#254
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Already did. 9E did not use the Delta swap evidence against XJ.
Regarding the list: every list sent in to the groups before 5/23 was certified by the merger committee. On Monday the committee sent in a list obtained directly from the company to the arbitrator and openly stated it was not certified. ALPA does not maintain the seniority list, the COMPANY does. If you have an issue with Pinnacle screwing up paperwork then turn in your resignation letter tomorrow. The list was not certified to get it in in a timely fashion. It would have taken at least a full day, maybe two to certify the list. In that case the same people claiming 9E doctored the list would be probably be blaming them for holding up the award.
These attacks by ALL pilot groups here is pointless. The fight here is not between the pilot groups. Everybody needs to realize that once this is done we are all on the same team!!
Regarding the list: every list sent in to the groups before 5/23 was certified by the merger committee. On Monday the committee sent in a list obtained directly from the company to the arbitrator and openly stated it was not certified. ALPA does not maintain the seniority list, the COMPANY does. If you have an issue with Pinnacle screwing up paperwork then turn in your resignation letter tomorrow. The list was not certified to get it in in a timely fashion. It would have taken at least a full day, maybe two to certify the list. In that case the same people claiming 9E doctored the list would be probably be blaming them for holding up the award.
These attacks by ALL pilot groups here is pointless. The fight here is not between the pilot groups. Everybody needs to realize that once this is done we are all on the same team!!
05-27-2011 | 02:51 PM
#256
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Yes, I know why it was done. The question is why was it done at the last second. The problem is that the merger committee did not submit a proper list from the beginning. This is either done out of incompetence or intentionally. Does this not look odd from the other side of the table? The most important information that the SLI committee is to present to Bloch is wrong until the last day....
That part of the JCBA has been around for months.
That part of the JCBA has been around for months.
None of this was new to anyone. The unresolved issue is and continues to be what defines "hire date" at Pinnacle. Once that is resolved we will get a decision from Bloch.
05-27-2011 | 02:58 PM
#257
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It wasn't done at the last second. When the validated lists were put together last November the "seniority date" column was included because the amendment to PCL hire dates was expected in the JCBA. Company hire date was also included because at the time it was relevant. All three committees knew exactly what "seniority date" was at the time, why it was presented on our seniority list, and what we expected to do with it since the inception of the SLI process. The arbitrator has been well aware of the issue since the start of mediation.
None of this was new to anyone. The unresolved issue is and continues to be what defines "hire date" at Pinnacle. Once that is resolved we will get a decision from Bloch.
None of this was new to anyone. The unresolved issue is and continues to be what defines "hire date" at Pinnacle. Once that is resolved we will get a decision from Bloch.
05-27-2011 | 03:05 PM
#258
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The issue is that Mesaba is disputing what is classified as our hire dates. If this was not being disputed I'm guessing we would have a list right now. All errors on the Pinnacle list were corrected within a day and sent to Bloch.
05-27-2011 | 03:12 PM
#259
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At this point I think we've argued this DOH thing around and around about 5 times. The only opinion that matters at this point is Bloch's. Whatever he comes out with will be telling. I personally am quite confident that he will rule in favor of our adjusted DOH's. If he doesn't I will be dying to see his rationale behind it. I will also eat all the words I've said as I'm sure many people will point out where I was wrong. On the flip side if he rules in our favor I will definitely take the time to savor the "see I told you so" moment.
05-27-2011 | 03:14 PM
#260
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With that being said, I don't know why it's taken a full week to research one issue. Everything I've heard says that Bloch hasn't requested any more info from any pilot group since Tuesday. Maybe it's more complicated than any of us know. Either way now that it's the holiday weekend Bloch is probably out getting a tan on some beach somewhere and will get back to us sometime next week.
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