Ummm, that's not what the original poster stated as his source.



Why is it that there are NO Frontier pilots concerned about FAPAInvest running off with their money? It's only Native RAH IBT pilots worried about that, which, I guess, is understandable as IBT ran off with their money. FAPA Leadership in no way compares to the IBT Leadership when it comes down to theft and deceit, we actually agree with, support and trust our Leadership.

Same thing with LOA 67. Why is it that the IBT is so very concerned about OUR minor concessions when there's not a single Frontier pilot concerned (OK, 58 pilots voted against it, 90% of them are whack jobs)

I don't know anyone that's P***ed about your strike vote. 90% of Frontier pilots aren't even aware of it and the other 10% just think it's funny (futile) or simply don't care.

The FFD isn't feeding Frontier money, they're costing us money. That's why the <50 seaters are going away or will be parked shortly, why the 190 orders are being cancelled and the 190's are up for sale.

 

Third. Designation of representatives

Representatives, for the purposes of this chapter, shall be designated by the respective parties without interference, influence, or coercion by either party over the designation of representatives by . the other; and neither party shall in any way interfere with, influence, or coerce the other in its choice of representatives. Representatives of employees for the purposes of this chapter need not be persons in the employ of the carrier, and no carrier shall, by interference, influence, or coercion seek in any manner to prevent the designation by its employees as their representatives of those who or which are not employees of the carrier.


Hmmm, right here, BB and WH and Co interfered with this. hence the lawsuit by IBT. They wanted you to feel happy joy, joy inside and now you are labeled as management sleepers, puke, etc.

Seems F9 A319 has joined the union, as I was told that unless you join IBT you do not have access to the webboard. Too bad I got that in an email. Do a google search and you will find the same info! Guess not a rumor. Wonder what will happen now? Sell of F9 to pay the fine? The way you treat RAH natives on here, that would be a drop in the bucket and they could return to profitability! Not having to put food in your or your kids mouths. Obama can take care of that!

 

Not a chance. While I don't have access to the "webboard", I too have access to email.

 

The Airbuses are next. You will see that you will be on the street or forced to fly the 190 at their crappy wages. Now would be a good time to support them in this strike vote. Oh, wait, you had pillow talks about 190 rates. Nevermind, carry on all mighty one that flies a 319! The 195 can carry just as many for a lot cheaper!

 

I'm SO over the airplane I fly, the Airbus isn't even a real airplane - it's a computer with Monitors (still called Pilots for some reason). Give me days off and pay and I'll happily fly any 2 engine, turbine powered airplane - I'm afraid I've used up my single and multi-engine piston luck. I actually liked the King Air, Citation, G-100 and hard-ball 737-200's best. I'd LOVE to fly a 747 for awhile but the TAFB is a major detractor.

The 190 rates are a function of IBT's negotiating and arbitration prowess as are the 4 open section 6 items currently in mediation. It amazes me that you're allowing the same guy that got you your current contract to Chair your current Negotiating Committee.

As far as supporting your strike vote, what would you want us to do in a perfect world? I'm serious, what could the Frontier pilots do that would make you happy?

 

Not make me happy, but make the RAH natives happy, SUPPORT THEM, WALK WITH THEM! Tell mgt, you too are fed up. Do you not see how this is going down? Without sides, there are other airlines, code shares that are willing to support them, as they see it as a benefit to their contract! See the same. Not that this will change your mind, but step back and think about it. What you stand for now, supporting them, you have a lot to gain when it comes time for ONE contract!

For instance, show the solidarity, like UPS did and the pilots supported their truck drivers, not the same union, but supported them and walked with them. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH in this industry. We have seen pay and QOL go down the drain! Stand up and support who is standing with you. You didn't have a choice, neither did RAH natives. MGT did all of this, quit pitting one against one another and do what's right.

 

Thank you sir!

 

Wx has it right.. I wished you had walked with us in Indy a few months ago. That would have been a statement. You can walk with us in the future.. Show some support.. We have a great pilot group ..but we have our five per centers too.

 

Just so I'm clear, are you or are you not a Native RAH pilot? I really don't have the time or inclination to ponder, discuss and/or argue "Industry Philosophy" with someone that doesn't have any skin in the game.

The thing is we Frontier pilots are NOT "fed up." That's a fundamental difference between the IBT and FAPA. We don't want the "CEO to wake up every morning and wonder what we're going to do to them today" [sic] (Tim Beaty, IBT Global Strategies, membership meeting, February 8, 2011).

FAPA has been very successful in working with Management, at Frontier and at RAH, as opposed to fighting them every step of the way. We have a common goal, to see the airline succeed. We will fight when necessary and we have won a very high percentage of the fights we chose to fight, but our foundation is to negotiate a realistic solution to problems.

We don't want ONE contract, we like ours and we don't want to be a single carrier - the FFD is truly "a melting ice cube" - that's why RAH bought Frontier!

The IBT has done nothing since October of 2009 to foster a healthy relationship with the Frontier pilot group. I'm in no way opposed to the individual RAH pilots and I am very willing to support the individual pilots but the IBT has been unprofessional, heavy handed, dismissive and extremely confrontational from the beginning of our relationship. They're friggin' suing us for God's sake! If the IBT is successful in the path they have chosen, Frontier will cease to exist and there are plenty of Native RAH pilots hoping for that.

Where does "and do what's right" fit in this situation?

The IBT has been trying their best for over a year to beat the Frontier pilot group into submission, not for the good of the Frontier pilots they're supposed to represent, but solely to pad their membership numbers. What part of "Stand up and support who is standing with you" does that fall under? The IBT has done NOTHING that could even remotely be construed as standing by ANY Frontier pilot.

I have very good friends that are Native RAH pilots. I would be proud to walk the line with them, they deserve better. It's the IBT I cannot tolerate. They have done nothing to earn my support and are actively attacking my ability to support my family and myself.

I will walk with the Native RAH pilots and my friends when the IBT stops trying to put me out of work, dictate to me what I want and what's best for me and actually attempts to open a dialogue with the Frontier pilots.

So far all I have seen from the IBT is ego and an agenda that has nothing to do with the good of my pilot group or the industry.

The fact that every E-Board position at Local 357 was filled with a candidate that was unopposed (7 positions, 1800+ members) speaks volumes about the level of internal involvement and concern with the future of this company and the course of the IBT going forward.

With Craig Moffatt as President the MEA pilots ought to start feeling represented, perhaps Craig will do something (anything would be an improvement) to start a basis of a relationship with the Frontier pilot group.

I am very hopeful that once the new E-Board takes over on January 1, 2012 and, hopefully, Doug Turner is out of the picture/process that the relationship will improve but I'm not holding my breath.

 

Wait a second...that'll only happen if they win the subsequent representation election. If Jeff Thomas makes off with our money, all bets are off.