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Aren't you IBT represented? You are holding onto FAPA, which doesn't exist any longer. Making back door deals with the company, as if it did. BB and WH will get what they want from you and stop the music.
So if they do get released are you going to walk with them, and support them, or continue to fly your airbus on the struck work routes? ie, the 190 routes. I am thinking the latter! This is a win/win for the F9 guys as well, but you don't see it that way. Looking at the last quarter results, they supported your airline. Be mad all you want, keep making the deals, see where it gets you guys. From other readings the IBT guys reached out to you about these deals and you are too good to listen to the ones that have played the game with BB and WH. They have been dealing with for years, and know the game. Turn a profit and lets talk then. better yet, they should keep you separate like you want, make you pay your own bills, no outside help from the regional, as you are calling it, and see where you stand in 4 months. sounds to me from all these readings and postings, you need to get your resume out!

 

You shouldn't base your opinion on "these readings".

The IBT has never reached out to anyone.

The IBT believes that the needs of the majority (native RAH pilots) are more important than the needs of the minority (Frontier pilots). Unfortunately, they wanted to "represent" all 3000 RAH pilots, and that is now their "duty". They are not meeting their legal requirement.

I keep hearing about a backdoor deal. The IBT's definition of a backdoor deal is an LOA, negotiated by FAPA while they were still the designated bargaining agent for the Frontier pilots, that gives Republic and Frontier the best chance at survival. Here is the catch, for Frontier to survive, it will need a third party to enter the fray and assume some of the risk. This is a horrible idea according to the IBT, as it may eliminate their chance at the windfall known as the Eischen award.

The IBT is so worried about losing their windfall, they have sued to overturn the LOA. If they succeed, it could result in the end of Frontier as the GECAS lease concessions, the Airbus deal, and the other employee agreements were all conditional. Frontier shutting down, accompanied by the loss of over 5000 jobs, is an acceptable risk to take, as the IBT will not be losing any of their jobs. If the IBT can't have it, then nobody will have it, this is the IBT way of conducting business.

The IBT is so worried about losing their windfall, they are attempting to sneak under the seven year airbus fence.

The bottom line is this.

The native RAH pilot union is doing everything possible to take something at the expense of another pilot group. This has been the case since day one with the IBT. They never attempted to negotiate during the SLI, as they had nothing to lose and everything to gain. They never attempted to negotiate a representation structure that works at a holding company with two active CBA's, as they had nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Now they threaten the very existence of Frontier airlines, with no concern about our careers.

This is exactly why only 13 pilots out of 700 have joined the IBT. This will be a divided group until we separate or go out of business. If it is the latter, the IBT is going to be on the hook for an incredible DFR lawsuit.

 

So let me get this straight, this type of nasty flamebait can continue to go on for 3 pages, but reference a Gojet thread and a moderator claims that users will get banned for any sort of negative comments made about Gojets? Fascinating....

 

So you're going to file a DFR suit against a union you're not a member of? What do they owe you if you're not a member?

 

Association fee payers are still part of the bargaining unit (seniority list), and as such the bargaining agent (Local 357) is still required to represent them. As such, the F9 pilots do have the standing to file a suit alleging a breach of DFR. Whether such a suit would have merit will be up to the judge, but it can be filed.

 

Hmmmm, I wonder if being stapled to the bottom of Southwest's seniority list should have been the way to go? Seems like it's FAPA that should take the fall for where F9 currently sits. But then again, it's the Pilots who have the final say. The IBT should be looking out for the interest of the pilot group as a whole. The only way it becomes about an individual is when you vote. Everybody wants to blame the unions, but if you don't vote or if you allow some else to persuade you to vote their way then you only have yourself to blame. There's over 3000 pilots and the union has to look at the bottom, middle, and top and determine what's best for us all. Whatever they decide, for the most part, is only finalized by what the majority of the pilots want. F9 Driver should be glad that at least someone bought F9. At least there's still a job to go to.

 

I will say as a current Comair pilot my life has been made worse even though I wasn't even hired prior to Comair's infamous strike. I have felt the backlash from that in more ways then one. Might explain why our fleet has steadily been downsized over the years and why Delta pilot's wont even look us in the eye.

From my observation, Comair went on strike and none of the other regionals really stood by Comair other then the "we support you" talk. Really most of them undercut Comair and the cycle has continued since. Not blaming any specific airline. All of them have done it.

So my point is.....whats the point! I have no use for our union and I would love to have a dues refund to use for more useful things. I pay my ALPA dues basically to not bother me. Couldn't even tell you my ALPA #.

So be careful what you wish for!!!!

 

well you work for Frontier and your one of the weakest pilot groups around, i think your just nervous that all the "kids" underneath you are getting riled up. kudos to the strikers!

 

Interesting, thanks!