Silly F9 pilots..keep believing that FAPA will always be there...hold onto is as long as you can.

On another note, why are you posting on here, shouldn't you be agreeing to more concessions? There's really no other way to say this, but if you believe anything that BB has to say and believe that he cares about you...well...you're simply not very intelligent.

 

In your mind it does, not legally, unless you want to call your illegally setup LLC FAPA now.

How is that stock option going for you, and the raises that you were promised by BB from undercover boss?

They won't favor one group over the other? Really? Look at the SLI proposal for starters, now look how you are acting, crying things didn't go your way. Stomp your feet some more, go whining to BB that you guys are almighty, because he believes you are, and fly the struck work coming up, so you can turn a profit. Have friends over there and they have tried to reach out to you guys, but your too busy smoozing with BB and WH believing their preachings!

 

FAPA legally exists as a labor union. It's as simple as that. It's not our bargaining representative, nor is it our bargaining agent. However, no amount of saying "FAPA doesn't exist" is going to make it cease to exist as a labor union. The only way it can cease to exist is by a vote of the membership to change the C&B's to allow that to happen. Until then, it exists in perpetuity, in accordance with the C&B's.

What? Which Frontier pilots did FAPA favor in the SLI arguments? Or did you forget that they weren't representing the RAH pilots during that process?

"Reaching out" meant "you'll have to do it our way".

 

FAPA will be here as long as Frontier Airlines exists.

If Frontier is sold, FAPA will once again be the bargaining agent for the Frontier pilots.

If Frontier is not sold, Frontier will no longer exist so FAPA will no longer be necessary.

I fail to understand your repeated statements about concessions. No Frontier pilot took a cut in hourly pay with LOA 67. No work rules were changed. Our 6.2% DC fund wasn't touched. I did lose a small amount of sick accrual going forward, and I lost three days of vacation going forward for a couple years. I won't feel the vacation becuase we bid hard lines and we can slide our vacation forward or backwards three days to cover sequences. I lost the company match to my 401k, but that will contractually return in two months, before any other employee on the property receives their match (if they ever get it back).

So, I gave up a fraction of a day of sick accrual and my 401k match for a few months. In return, I stand to receive a piece of a $50 million claim for equity and a piece of a 50% share of any profits over a small, single digit margin.

The equity and profit sharing may never come, but I didn't give up anything in exchange for those benefits. I am not counting on either to pay, but if they do that will just be icing on the cake.

If you consider that a concession, then I can't convince you otherwise, nor do I really care.

 

Ask the native RAH pilots how the profit sharing works. WH tells them it is in a christmas bonus. If you read their contract it says the same thing. Glad you are hoping for the piece of the 50 mil pie. Funny thing is that there is no F9 or FAPA stock it is called RJET. The native RAH people have it in their contract for getting shares and whatnot, but 'still in the works' perhaps you can help management in one of your meetings to start this. If you can do this, you would be helping out the others. You guys seem to drink the kool-aid and are blinded by the smoke BB and WH are blowing to see that they DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU AS WELL! But yet you continue to have pillow talk with them. They are ready to jump with their golden parachutes and sell you off/out so fast it isn't funny. Continue to fly your almighty airbus, give the RAH'ers a break and treat them with dignity, and you might have them on your side when you get crapped on by BB and WH. Better than them standing on the sidelines, saying, told ya so.

Very interesting:

the deal that
the FAPA guys made with BB to create FAPAinvest violated some DOL
(Department of Labor) law.

 

I can't wait for the courts to tell us if FAPA really exists anymore. Right now it's just a drinking club. The Lanyards are cute though. Maybe I should wear a PanAm Lanyard to work or Some Buffalo Bills Super Bowl Champs one as well, cuz none of those exist either. You guys don't like the strike vote because you know you are SOL if we actually get to walk as your lifeboat will capsize and you'll have to make choices about crossing the line. This is getting so old. FAPA is like Santa Clause or VanderSlash from South park. Time to let it go. you've been played by RAH management, and school in Labor tactics by the IBT over and over again. Sore losing is for 6 year olds.

 

Wasn't that from a guy that heard from "somebody that said they know somebody that knows somebody at the DOJ (Department of Justice)"?

That's a pretty strong source - not.

 

...and FAPAInvest had no fudiciary duties to anybody at F9. they can take any negotiated money and run and leave nothing to the F9 pilots..... they have no obligation to them.

I also heard about that DOJ stuff..... muy importantay!!! But funny at any rate. F9 is just ****ed about the strike vote (overwhelming response for first day BTW) knowing that the FFD side pays their checks and puts food in their kids' mouth and gas in their mighty airbus that RAH isn't worthy of. That's why this whole thread was started by the haters... they are worried about RAH messing up their sneaky, sneaky plans!

 

yayyyyyy! :d

 

let me help you with his source

152. General duties

First. Duty of carriers and employees to settle disputes

It shall be the duty of all carriers, their officers, agents, and employees to exert every reasonable effort to make and maintain agreements concerning rates of pay, rules, and working conditions, and to settle all disputes, whether arising out of the application of such agreements or otherwise, in order to avoid any interruption to commerce or to the operation of any carrier growing out of any dispute between the carrier and the employees thereof.

Second. Consideration of disputes by representatives

All disputes between a carrier or carriers and its or their employees shall be considered, and, if possible, decided, with all expedition, in conference between representatives designated and authorized so to confer, respectively, by the carrier or carriers and by the employees thereof interested in the dispute.

Third. Designation of representatives

Representatives, for the purposes of this chapter, shall be designated by the respective parties without interference, influence, or coercion by either party over the designation of representatives by . the other; and neither party shall in any way interfere with, influence, or coerce the other in its choice of representatives. Representatives of employees for the purposes of this chapter need not be persons in the employ of the carrier, and no carrier shall, by interference, influence, or coercion seek in any manner to prevent the designation by its employees as their representatives of those who or which are not employees of the carrier.

Fourth. Organization and collective bargaining, freedom from interference by carrier, assistance in organizing or maintaining organization by carrier forbidden; deduction of dues from wages forbidden

Employees shall have the right to organize and bargain collectively through representatives of their own choosing. The majority of any craft or class of employees shall have the right to determine who shall be the representative of the craft or class for the purposes of this chapter. No carrier, its officers, or agents shall deny or in any way question the right of its employees to join, organize, or assist in organizing the labor organization of their choice, and it shall be unlawful for any carrier to interfere in any way with the organization of its employees, or to use the funds of the carrier in maintaining or assisting or contributing to any labor organizabion, labor representative, or other agency of collective bargaining, or in performing any work therefor, or to influence or coerce employees in an effort to induce them to join or remain or not to join or remain members of any labor organization, or to deduct from the wages of employees any dues, fees, assessments, or other contributions payable to labor organizations, or to collect or to assist in the collection of any such dues, fees, assessments, or other contributions: Provided, That nothing in this chapter shall be construed to prohibit a carrier from permitting an employee, individually, or local representatives of employees from conferring with management during working hours without loss of time, or to prohibit a carrier from furnishing free transportation to its employees while engaged in the business of a labor organization.

The Railway Labor Act