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Old 11-13-2011 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingtips
How close to 1500/hr and ATP written will they actually go?? Getting the PIC turbine for about the same as FO pay at Eagle....hmmm, you might be able to go to a real airline at the time you would be upgrading at Eagle.
Ding ding ding... You figured out my thinking. It would be a miracle to upgrade and start logging PIC by 01/2013 at AE. Plus they want to divest us. But if GIA hires me I can start logging PIC by 01/01/2012. I'll be a year ahead in getting PIC. And hopefully get a SF340B.
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Old 11-13-2011 | 07:07 AM
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its a gamble, the good part is your not chasing an upgrade since you would be hired as a street captain
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Old 11-13-2011 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by bgmann
Ding ding ding... You figured out my thinking. It would be a miracle to upgrade and start logging PIC by 01/2013 at AE. Plus they want to divest us. But if GIA hires me I can start logging PIC by 01/01/2012. I'll be a year ahead in getting PIC. And hopefully get a SF340B.
Problem is you have to stay there for 5 years or pay the remainder of the 25k... think about that for a second.
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Old 11-13-2011 | 09:52 AM
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Their looking into waiving this for captains because they can't raise interest.
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Old 11-13-2011 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bgmann
$32/hr wage as 1st year CA. Monthly guarantee is 75 hours. 75 x $32 = $2400/mo gross. Maybe you have 200 hours of per diem for the month paid at $1.45. 200 x 1.45 = $290. $2400 + $290 = $2690 gross for the month. Minus $300 for training payment. $2390.

AWESOME PAY! And that is before Gov't takes 20%. so now you have ~$1912
Close, but you made one little mistake...

The guy was PAID the $300 before he gave it back, so it too is taxed. Your $1912 is probably closer to $1850.
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Old 11-13-2011 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by minimwage4
Problem is you have to stay there for 5 years or pay the remainder of the 25k... think about that for a second.
Ya but in the long run, esp in this seniority based industry that 25k could be easily made up. Get that turbine PIC, and be somewhere like jetblue or virgin, or maybe even a major, that could also put you ahead of a huge amount of people when the majors replace all these retirements. Its a GAMBLE, but historically I think it would pay off. Worst off dont pay it, let them dock your credit.
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Old 11-13-2011 | 06:49 PM
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The game plan of docking your credit won't work. It's taken directly out of your paycheck as an automatic payroll deduction after completion of initial checkride. But you are correct that most airlines who have a PFT system, it works in the manner you mention.
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Old 11-14-2011 | 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Senior Skipper
You can say that again. Based on their rates, as a CFI, I was taking home more than a top of the scale FO at GIA.

I really don't get how those guys justify it to themselves. Why accept $X to be in the left seat at GIA, when you can have the same pay (if not more) in the right seat at a reputable airline with FAR less responsibility.
Everyone has what is important to them personally and more often than not that is different between people. So you would rather be a FO at a "reputable airline" for 10 years, that is important to you. I imagine to the people at GIA what is important to them is getting their TPIC time so they can move up to something better. To some people money isn't at the top of their priority list. Some people want the base, some want the equipment, some want the quick upgrade, etc... and those people are often willing to trade off the pay to get what it is they see as important.
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Old 11-14-2011 | 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingtips
Worst off dont pay it, let them dock your credit.
I think the economic climate we live in now is a dangerous hangover from the type of attitude you're exhibiting, Wingtips. Yeah, take a job at GIA that may or may not pay you enough to live on, then on top of it all go into debt. Hope you don't need to get a car loan, mortgage, or anything requiring a credit check anytime before you make it to a 'major'. Or better yet, declare bankruptcy to discharge the obligation....after all management should admire that ingenuity, it's right out of their playbook!

bgmann from his/her statements knows much more about this than I do, so like they said this situation may be moot as what I described may be totally inaccurate/impossible.
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Old 11-14-2011 | 06:33 AM
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GIA $19/hr Paid in training 5 year contract
GLA $16/hr Not paid in training 15 month contract

I don't know who is worse.
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