Upgrade to Captain w/o ATP PIC requirements
01-06-2012, 11:20 AM
#31
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: Airbus 320 Right Seat
Posts: 1,440
I am in a similar place, at pinnacle 4200 hours of SIC and I just got my ATP on my own, when to a ma, pa type place and only have like 200 hours of PiC , notch cross country, my APD told me a lot of people are getting this reg wrong. But one can get their ATP with low Pic time , they are just using come of your SIc time to do so.
01-06-2012, 11:28 AM
#32
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 853
Originally Posted by 8Lpearlchannel
============================
FAR 61.159(a)(4): 250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command, or any combination thereof, which includes at least-...
============================
You need a new POI.
FAR 61.159(a)(4): 250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command, or any combination thereof, which includes at least-...
============================
You need a new POI.
01-06-2012, 11:38 AM
#33
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 97
I am confused about how you would get your commercial ticket without more cross county time and night time. Do you just fly the pattern for 200 hours during day VMC? No cross-country or night time to build EXPERIENCE to meet the requirements for a commercial ticket??? Wow . . . I never thought I would see a conversations such as this! Very, very sad.
01-06-2012, 11:41 AM
#34
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 853
Originally Posted by OleDawg
I am confused about how you would get your commercial ticket without more cross county time and night time. Do you just fly the pattern for 200 hours during day VMC? No cross-country or night time to build EXPERIENCE to meet the requirements for a commercial ticket??? Wow . . . I never thought I would see a conversations such as this! Very, very sad.
01-06-2012, 11:50 AM
#35
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 109
Originally Posted by fullflank
In fact, how could you perform duties of PIC without a required type rating?
Say you DID have the PIC type rating on your Commercial certificate (it is possible). How could you perform duties of PIC without a required ATP?
01-06-2012, 11:54 AM
#36
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 853
Originally Posted by 8Lpearlchannel
Using the same logic...
Say you DID have the PIC type rating on your Commercial certificate (it is possible). How could you perform duties of PIC without a required ATP?
Say you DID have the PIC type rating on your Commercial certificate (it is possible). How could you perform duties of PIC without a required ATP?
01-06-2012, 12:02 PM
#37
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 97
Originally Posted by fullflank
Keep in mind that at a 141 flight school the minimums to obtain a commercial certificate are reduced. If memory serves, 250 pic is reduced to something like 100
01-06-2012, 12:03 PM
#38
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 853
I think the whole reason that provision about "SIC conducting duties of PIC" is in there is so that you could log PIC time during your CA IOE. That is the only time you're actually performing the duties of PIC under the supervision of the PIC (check airmen). At that point you have all the appropriate ratings, but the check airmen still signs the release, meaning he's the actual PIC. Am I wrong?
01-06-2012, 12:04 PM
#39
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 442
Originally Posted by rightside02
I am in a similar place, at pinnacle 4200 hours of SIC and I just got my ATP on my own, when to a ma, pa type place and only have like 200 hours of PiC , notch cross country, my APD told me a lot of people are getting this reg wrong. But one can get their ATP with low Pic time , they are just using come of your SIc time to do so.
01-06-2012, 12:05 PM
#40
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 853
Originally Posted by OleDawg
OK, I'll buy that argument. But, are the airlines hiring pilots with 100 hours? The lowest I have ever heard of was 250 hours. Are guys/gals coming from 141 schools with 100 hours total flight time straight to the right seat for a 121 carrier?
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
