Upgrade to Captain w/o ATP PIC requirements
01-06-2012, 12:11 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by fullflank
I think the whole reason that provision about "SIC conducting duties of PIC" is in there is so that you could log PIC time during your CA IOE. That is the only time you're actually performing the duties of PIC under the supervision of the PIC (check airmen). At that point you have all the appropriate ratings, but the check airmen still signs the release, meaning he's the actual PIC. Am I wrong?
If you're sitting in the left seat receiving CA IOE, haven't you already received your ATP certificate?...
01-06-2012, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by fullflank
I think the whole reason that provision about "SIC conducting duties of PIC" is in there is so that you could log PIC time during your CA IOE. That is the only time you're actually performing the duties of PIC under the supervision of the PIC (check airmen). At that point you have all the appropriate ratings, but the check airmen still signs the release, meaning he's the actual PIC. Am I wrong?
If you're sitting in the left seat receiving CA IOE, haven't you already received your ATP certificate?...
Yep, spot on
01-06-2012, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 8Lpearlchannel
If you're sitting in the left seat receiving CA IOE, haven't you already received your ATP certificate?...
01-06-2012, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by fullflank
Of course you do. You have to have your ATP before going to upgrade training. That's what I'm saying. During your CA IOE, you have ALL of the appropriate certificates (ATP) and type rating to log PIC. However, the Check airmen is the PIC until you get signed off and are the pilot who signs the release prior to each flight. This provision allows a pilot to log PIC time during IOE since you're performing the duties of PIC under supervision. Even though the check airmen is the PIC.
The scenario you have described is really two airmen with ATP certificates and PIC type ratings conducting line training for the CA candidate to be released to the line. None of it relates toward attaining the experience required to become eligible for an ATP.
01-06-2012, 01:34 PM
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Nobody should be able to be in a captain seat without at least 500hrs PIC.
01-06-2012, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by PDTPILOT
Pagey, what airline do you work at? I think it's complete BS that it's up to the fsdo or poi to interpret the regulations. What's the point of regulations if their open to interpretation?
Some people actually like the grey areas because it gives them LEEWAY to operate. This is one of those things that often comes down to you like it grey if it helps you, and you don't if it is a hindrance.
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