Upgrade to Captain w/o ATP PIC requirements
#61
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So apparently that's the way you'll do it. Just by suggesting cheating means that probably you have consider it.
So if you say you have 3000hrs in the dash and 200hrs PIC, probably got the job straight after commercial.
All guys that got hired in 2007-2008 are hurt because they (including you) might never be captain unless, you go back to what you had supposed to be done before getting in a airline.[/QUOTE]
First of all, do not put my comment along with one that says I'm going to Cheat....those were someone else's comments.
I think your bitter that you didn't get hired straight at a 121 carrier right after getting your commercial license.....Can you honestly tell me that if you had the chance to go to an airline right out of college that just so happened to have a base near your home, you wouldn't take it? "No I'm going to do what I'm suppose to do" and babysit til I get 500 hours pic...now I'm ready for the airlines! I have witnessed more CFI's and check carriers wash out of training than I have wet commercial pilots. You either have the skill or you don't, you're either trainable or not....take your bs comments and allegations to some other board
So if you say you have 3000hrs in the dash and 200hrs PIC, probably got the job straight after commercial.
All guys that got hired in 2007-2008 are hurt because they (including you) might never be captain unless, you go back to what you had supposed to be done before getting in a airline.[/QUOTE]
First of all, do not put my comment along with one that says I'm going to Cheat....those were someone else's comments.
I think your bitter that you didn't get hired straight at a 121 carrier right after getting your commercial license.....Can you honestly tell me that if you had the chance to go to an airline right out of college that just so happened to have a base near your home, you wouldn't take it? "No I'm going to do what I'm suppose to do" and babysit til I get 500 hours pic...now I'm ready for the airlines! I have witnessed more CFI's and check carriers wash out of training than I have wet commercial pilots. You either have the skill or you don't, you're either trainable or not....take your bs comments and allegations to some other board
#63
On our bid form it just says you must have at least 250 hours PIC for upgrade to captain. Which I have. I just hope I don't wait it out and find out when the time comes that I need the the PIC night and PIC cross country experience as well. Otherwise I might find myself giving free instruction to get the time.
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Ok, I have over 3000 hours just in the dash8 but only 200 hrs pic. Are you to tell me that some newhire that's been flight instructing with no 121 experience is more qualified to be captain than I am? I understand your argument but do you think 500 hours of flying Vfr pattern work is going to make me one hell of a captain? I dont think so, but I'd be able to fly one hell of a box pattern
why? Cause you need 250 PIC in which:
-100 hrs of xcountry time
-25 hrs night time
There are rules to follow, you don't have the flight time stated by the FARs, you can have 3000 in the 747 and still not be qualified to be a captain.
So if you say you have 3000hrs in the dash and 200hrs PIC, probably got the job straight after commercial.
All guys that got hired in 2007-2008 are hurt because they (including you) might never be captain unless, you go back to what you had supposed to be done before getting in a airline.
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So apparently that's the way you'll do it. Just by suggesting cheating means that probably you have consider it.
So if you say you have 3000hrs in the dash and 200hrs PIC, probably got the job straight after commercial.
All guys that got hired in 2007-2008 are hurt because they (including you) might never be captain unless, you go back to what you had supposed to be done before getting in a airline.
So if you say you have 3000hrs in the dash and 200hrs PIC, probably got the job straight after commercial.
All guys that got hired in 2007-2008 are hurt because they (including you) might never be captain unless, you go back to what you had supposed to be done before getting in a airline.
I think your bitter that you didn't get hired straight at a 121 carrier right after getting your commercial license.....Can you honestly tell me that if you had the chance to go to an airline right out of college that just so happened to have a base near your home, you wouldn't take it? "No I'm going to do what I'm suppose to do" and babysit til I get 500 hours pic...now I'm ready for the airlines! I have witnessed more CFI's and check carriers wash out of training than I have wet commercial pilots. You either have the skill or you don't, you're either trainable or not....take your bs comments and allegations to some other board[/QUOTE]
I apologized that was not for you I miss read who wrote it.
Now, answering your question with honesty...
Actually I did got my commercial in 2007, and I preferred to wait. So I didn't got furlough and because I was conscious of the PIC requirement I didn't apply for anyplace. Even in eagle they where offering $10,000 after completing IOE. I didn't bite like most guys did.
I didn't flight instructed that much cause I choose other ways to get my flight time, before applying to any airline. (135 ops, as a captain).
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Some of us knew better than to try to get a job at an airline at something like 400 hrs TT. I didn't even put my first resume to the airlines til I had 1,500and 100 multi. At 400 TT I didn't know much and I knew I needed more experience.
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First of all, do not put my comment along with one that says I'm going to Cheat....those were someone else's comments.
I think your bitter that you didn't get hired straight at a 121 carrier right after getting your commercial license.....Can you honestly tell me that if you had the chance to go to an airline right out of college that just so happened to have a base near your home, you wouldn't take it? "No I'm going to do what I'm suppose to do" and babysit til I get 500 hours pic...now I'm ready for the airlines! I have witnessed more CFI's and check carriers wash out of training than I have wet commercial pilots. You either have the skill or you don't, you're either trainable or not....take your bs comments and allegations to some other board
I think your bitter that you didn't get hired straight at a 121 carrier right after getting your commercial license.....Can you honestly tell me that if you had the chance to go to an airline right out of college that just so happened to have a base near your home, you wouldn't take it? "No I'm going to do what I'm suppose to do" and babysit til I get 500 hours pic...now I'm ready for the airlines! I have witnessed more CFI's and check carriers wash out of training than I have wet commercial pilots. You either have the skill or you don't, you're either trainable or not....take your bs comments and allegations to some other board
Secondly,
Anyone would do it the way you did if given the oppuortunity. It's not you or them that is the problem. It's the system that allows it to happen. How can we value ourselves as a profession and demand that we deserve higher pay, when it's possible to fly for an airline at 250TT. We can't. It's a pathetically low bar to set when a regular civilian can go from 0TT to 250TT and right seat at a regional all in one year. Have you ever heard of that with a doctor or a lawyer? No. Those are two professions we used to be compared to because of the entry level difficulty. Now we are compared to truck and bus drivers and paid the same as well.
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Some of us knew better than to try to get a job at an airline at something like 400 hrs TT. I didn't even put my first resume to the airlines til I had 1,500and 100 multi. At 400 TT I didn't know much and I knew I needed more experience.
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First of all regarding the highlighted comment, no you haven't.
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Really? I can give you a long list of what most people call "experienced" pilots that washed out of training here.
I generally agree with us not being a professional career anymore and not being compared to dr's and lawyers. But I dont know of either one that only makes 20k their first year. Hell look at us airways mainline pilots, their at $25 first year pay. I would think their experienced right?
First of all regarding the highlighted comment, no you haven't.
.[/QUOTE]
Really? I can give you a long list of what most people call "experienced" pilots that washed out of training here.
I generally agree with us not being a professional career anymore and not being compared to dr's and lawyers. But I dont know of either one that only makes 20k their first year. Hell look at us airways mainline pilots, their at $25 first year pay. I would think their experienced right?
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Some of us knew better than to try to get a job at an airline at something like 400 hrs TT. I didn't even put my first resume to the airlines til I had 1,500and 100 multi. At 400 TT I didn't know much and I knew I needed more experience.
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