Upgrade to Captain w/o ATP PIC requirements
01-07-2012, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by PDTPILOT
Really? I can give you a long list of what most people call "experienced" pilots that washed out of training here.
I generally agree with us not being a professional career anymore and not being compared to dr's and lawyers. But I dont know of either one that only makes 20k their first year. Hell look at us airways mainline pilots, their at $25 first year pay. I would think their experienced right?
Doctor's have residency right out of med school which pays very low. A majority of lawyers are not paid well first year either. It doesn't matter though because we no longer deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as these careers. They take a lot more hard work than paying All ATPs $100,000 to finish your entire education in ONE year. That's not even possible with a doctor or lawyer.
01-07-2012, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat
But how do you get the ATP in the first place. What is the reg? I think it might be 121.437 but I thought there was something more specific.
01-07-2012, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
So apparently that's the way you'll do it. Just by suggesting cheating means that probably you have consider it.
So if you say you have 3000hrs in the dash and 200hrs PIC, probably got the job straight after commercial.
All guys that got hired in 2007-2008 are hurt because they (including you) might never be captain unless, you go back to what you had supposed to be done before getting in a airline.
So if you say you have 3000hrs in the dash and 200hrs PIC, probably got the job straight after commercial.
All guys that got hired in 2007-2008 are hurt because they (including you) might never be captain unless, you go back to what you had supposed to be done before getting in a airline.
I was a 2007 hire. I got my ATP from a DPE in 2000 and have 8 years of 135 single pilot.
01-07-2012, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
First of all, do not put my comment along with one that says I'm going to Cheat....those were someone else's comments.
I think your bitter that you didn't get hired straight at a 121 carrier right after getting your commercial license.....Can you honestly tell me that if you had the chance to go to an airline right out of college that just so happened to have a base near your home, you wouldn't take it? "No I'm going to do what I'm suppose to do" and babysit til I get 500 hours pic...now I'm ready for the airlines! I have witnessed more CFI's and check carriers wash out of training than I have wet commercial pilots. You either have the skill or you don't, you're either trainable or not....take your bs comments and allegations to some other board
I think your bitter that you didn't get hired straight at a 121 carrier right after getting your commercial license.....Can you honestly tell me that if you had the chance to go to an airline right out of college that just so happened to have a base near your home, you wouldn't take it? "No I'm going to do what I'm suppose to do" and babysit til I get 500 hours pic...now I'm ready for the airlines! I have witnessed more CFI's and check carriers wash out of training than I have wet commercial pilots. You either have the skill or you don't, you're either trainable or not....take your bs comments and allegations to some other board
Now, answering your question with honesty...
Actually I did got my commercial in 2007, and I preferred to wait. So I didn't got furlough and because I was conscious of the PIC requirement I didn't apply for anyplace. Even in eagle they where offering $10,000 after completing IOE. I didn't bite like most guys did.
I didn't flight instructed that much cause I choose other ways to get my flight time, before applying to any airline. (135 ops, as a captain).[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you wasted your time. USAir isnt even asking for an atp. Good thing you waited and didnt bite like most guys. Now you'll be able to upgrade with all your pic at your regional while those with the min turbine time move on.
01-08-2012, 06:51 AM
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Sounds like you wasted your time. USAir isnt even asking for an atp. Good thing you waited and didnt bite like most guys. Now you'll be able to upgrade with all your pic at your regional while those with the min turbine time move on.
You can have 10,000 turbine, but without PIC, you still not be able to move to the left seat in USAir. And also someone with PIC time will get an interview sooner than someone without PIC.
Keep climbing the right seat wall, you'll get stuck at some level and someone junior than you will upgrade.
01-08-2012, 06:53 AM
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As a wise man once said:
Those that claim that all that is required to obtain the required PIC time is "flying around the pattern" are those that do not have the PIC time in their logbook.
Those that claim that all that is required to obtain the required PIC time is "flying around the pattern" are those that do not have the PIC time in their logbook.
01-08-2012, 11:03 AM
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Because they don't know what is flying as a PIC.
I'm not saying the way some of us got into the airlines with low time is right, but I sure don't need someone acting like were scum and that you did everything right, which in the end if your looking at making a career in the airlines isn't going to help you
01-08-2012, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
Keep climbing the right seat wall, you'll get stuck at some level and someone junior than you will upgrade.
Not to burst your bubble but unfortunately a lot of F/Os are stuck in the right seat because of lack of movement. If you come here to Europe you might find guys in the right seat for 15 Years plus with a ton of experience, just haven't gotten the chance to upgrade.
Please correct me if I misunderstood.
01-10-2012, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat
This is what I wanted to know. I have 2200 SIC in a CRJ. Do I meet the flight experience requirements for an ATP? It sounds like you got your ATP without the PIC requirement. Is this correct? Did you get it in a sim or rent a multi engine? Did you have to retake the written? Mine is more than 2 years old.
You'd better get a new valid written done if you are going to attempt your ATP in a light twin under Part 61...
From the ATP Pratical Test Standards:
Practical Test Prerequisites: Airline Transport Pilot
An applicant for the original issuance of an airline transport pilot certificate
is required (prior to the practical test) by 14 CFR part 61 to:
is required (prior to the practical test) by 14 CFR part 61 to:
1. have passed the appropriate airline transport pilot knowledge test
within 24 months before the date of the practical test;
within 24 months before the date of the practical test;
2. have the aeronautical experience prescribed in 14 CFR part 61,
that applies to the aircraft category and class rating;
that applies to the aircraft category and class rating;
3. have a minimum of a third-class medical certificate, if a medical
certificate is required (if any portion of the certification must occur
in an actual airplane, then a medical certificate is required for that
portion);
certificate is required (if any portion of the certification must occur
in an actual airplane, then a medical certificate is required for that
portion);
4. be at least 23 years of age; and
5. be able to read, speak, write, and understand the English
language. If there is any doubt, consult AC 60-28, English
Language Skill Standards Required by 14 CFR parts 61, 63, and
65, or contact your local Flight Standards District Office (FSDO).
The examiner must determine whether the applicant meets the
English language requirements before beginning the practical test.
language. If there is any doubt, consult AC 60-28, English
Language Skill Standards Required by 14 CFR parts 61, 63, and
65, or contact your local Flight Standards District Office (FSDO).
The examiner must determine whether the applicant meets the
English language requirements before beginning the practical test.
In accordance with the requirements of 14 CFR 61.153(b) and ICAO
aviation English Language proficiency requirements, the entire application
process and testing procedures must be accomplished fluently enough in
the English language such that crew coordination and communication is
never in doubt.
aviation English Language proficiency requirements, the entire application
process and testing procedures must be accomplished fluently enough in
the English language such that crew coordination and communication is
never in doubt.
NOTE:
The 24-month limitation does not apply if the applicant:
1. is employed as a flight crewmember by a certificate holder under
14 CFR parts 121, 125, or 135 at the time of the practical test and
has satisfactorily accomplished that operator’s approved—
a. pilot in command aircraft qualification training program that is
appropriate to the certificate and rating sought; and
b. qualification training requirements appropriate to the certificate and ratings sought; or
2. is employed as a flight crewmember in U.S. military air transport
operations at the time of the practical test, and has accomplished
the pilot in command aircraft qualification training program that is
appropriate to the certificate and rating sought.
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