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#81
Are you kidding? If I were a recruiter at Delta, I would hire a B1900 guy over an RJ guy any day of the week. The B1900 guy will know how to FLY the airplane because that's what they have to do with no autopilot. It's all RAW flying which would make that guy much more proficient. I'm not saying that an RJ guy doesn't know how to fly the airplane because that would simply be a lie but some RJ guys would be more apt to rely on automation rather than flying the darn airplane. I don't know who the hell told you that flying a jet takes more skill but I think that you're HIGHLY mistaken.
Why Wouldn't Delta hire an RJ guy with known automation skills to fly their automated aircraft? When's the last time you saw a 767 hand flown 6 legs a day? There's a reason a lot of airlines ask for your amount of "glass cockpit" time...
Flying a jet does not take MORE skill, it takes DIFFERENT skills. Take it from someone that has given hundreds of hours IOE and sim instruction to prop guys coming over to jets...it ain't the button pushing cakewalk you think it is going to be. And yes, I have several hundred hours turboprop time and do not think less of the skills a prop pilot needs, as I said before it is the same skill level just a different set of skills. As someone else mentioned, if I were the hypothetical Delta recruiter, I would prefer a nice mix of prop/jet time, but would probably hire a 100% rj driver over a 100% 1900 driver, all other things equal, because he has experience in the automation and type of flying Delta does. And I'd hire the 1900 guy over the Alaskan bush pilot, even though the bush pilot probably has better stick/rudder skills, the 1900 guy has more "real world airline" time....
flame on...
#83
When I instructed, I was at a place that had an all glass fleet. The average age of my students was about 45 also. I never saw them have a problem with automation. I even took a 65 year old whose last flight was in the mid 80s in a King Air. He got into a brand new 207 with the latest glass and had little trouble. Twisting some of the knobs and pressing some buttons might have been a little clumsy at first, but he always had a sound understanding of the theory behind the automation. He could understand what he wanted and how to make the automation accomplish his goal.
Also, what do you think happened when aircraft like the 757 and 767 hit the market? Older pilots new to that level of automation were able to transition from aircraft like the 727 that had almost no automation. Or also, how do you explain a 250 hour 172 driver learning how to fly a CRJ? Sure, they might PIC authority and some ADM, but plenty got the button pushing down.
We are talking about 2 different things. You have automation and you have the specific type of turbine engine powering the aircraft. Why not differentiate low bypass jets with hi bypass jets?
#84
Never said that. I was specifically talking about the 1900 the other guy mentioned in regards to automation, and a different skill set required to fly props vs jets for the "which is harder to fly" argument...
#86
I'm guessing you don't have any jet time.....
Why Wouldn't Delta hire an RJ guy with known automation skills to fly their automated aircraft? When's the last time you saw a 767 hand flown 6 legs a day? There's a reason a lot of airlines ask for your amount of "glass cockpit" time...
Flying a jet does not take MORE skill, it takes DIFFERENT skills. Take it from someone that has given hundreds of hours IOE and sim instruction to prop guys coming over to jets...it ain't the button pushing cakewalk you think it is going to be. And yes, I have several hundred hours turboprop time and do not think less of the skills a prop pilot needs, as I said before it is the same skill level just a different set of skills. As someone else mentioned, if I were the hypothetical Delta recruiter, I would prefer a nice mix of prop/jet time, but would probably hire a 100% rj driver over a 100% 1900 driver, all other things equal, because he has experience in the automation and type of flying Delta does. And I'd hire the 1900 guy over the Alaskan bush pilot, even though the bush pilot probably has better stick/rudder skills, the 1900 guy has more "real world airline" time....
flame on...
Why Wouldn't Delta hire an RJ guy with known automation skills to fly their automated aircraft? When's the last time you saw a 767 hand flown 6 legs a day? There's a reason a lot of airlines ask for your amount of "glass cockpit" time...
Flying a jet does not take MORE skill, it takes DIFFERENT skills. Take it from someone that has given hundreds of hours IOE and sim instruction to prop guys coming over to jets...it ain't the button pushing cakewalk you think it is going to be. And yes, I have several hundred hours turboprop time and do not think less of the skills a prop pilot needs, as I said before it is the same skill level just a different set of skills. As someone else mentioned, if I were the hypothetical Delta recruiter, I would prefer a nice mix of prop/jet time, but would probably hire a 100% rj driver over a 100% 1900 driver, all other things equal, because he has experience in the automation and type of flying Delta does. And I'd hire the 1900 guy over the Alaskan bush pilot, even though the bush pilot probably has better stick/rudder skills, the 1900 guy has more "real world airline" time....
flame on...

#87
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Thats not the point...
People appreciate the hand flying skills of TProp pilots. Many of guys that will be doing the hiring for the next couple of years flew many of them in their career progression, so they certainly know what it takes and the skills one acquires flying one. They also get warm fuzzy feelings when they know a candidate can hand fly if all goes bad. With all that said jet time on the other hand is just as valuable for different reasons, I think the ideal candidate would have a mix of both IMO. Ask most mainline guys what they flew before they got where they are... 99% chance it was a turbo with a prop added on.
People appreciate the hand flying skills of TProp pilots. Many of guys that will be doing the hiring for the next couple of years flew many of them in their career progression, so they certainly know what it takes and the skills one acquires flying one. They also get warm fuzzy feelings when they know a candidate can hand fly if all goes bad. With all that said jet time on the other hand is just as valuable for different reasons, I think the ideal candidate would have a mix of both IMO. Ask most mainline guys what they flew before they got where they are... 99% chance it was a turbo with a prop added on.
#88
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U know FLY782 you can make all the assumptions you want but when it comes down to it its who you know they could careless if you flew a box as long as you meet the requirements and put back a few beer with the right guys, its as easy as that!
#89
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Ok? Dont see the need to quote me twice. Just stating my opinion like I said, and yes I am well aware of its all about who you know...
#90
Are you kidding? If I were a recruiter at Delta, I would hire a B1900 guy over an RJ guy any day of the week. The B1900 guy will know how to FLY the airplane because that's what they have to do with no autopilot. It's all RAW flying which would make that guy much more proficient. I'm not saying that an RJ guy doesn't know how to fly the airplane because that would simply be a lie but some RJ guys would be more apt to rely on automation rather than flying the darn airplane. I don't know who the hell told you that flying a jet takes more skill but I think that you're HIGHLY mistaken.
As far as hand flying, the king air series including the 1900 is one of the easiest hand flying airplanes in the world. A VERY stable aircraft. I'd have no problem hand flying it 6 legs a day. Now I can only speak for the crj, but flying it six legs a day would be a pain in the butt with all the artificial "pitch feel" feedback you get in the controls. To make a long story short, it's way more sensitive than your average TP, especially at higher altitudes with the higher speeds. The plane feels as if it was built to be flown with the AP on 90% of the time
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