Eagle TA
08-16-2012 | 11:49 AM
#111
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 224
Likes: 0
08-16-2012 | 05:33 PM
#112
New Hire
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
I am going to have to agree with you. As soon as AMR makes the modifications with respect to code sharing and furloughs, they'll get what they want. Having said that, I am a no vote because 8 years is far too long, especially with what was offered. I would rather take my chances with Judge Lane, and negotiate a new contract exiting BK. AA sacked up, now it's our turn.
08-16-2012 | 05:59 PM
#113
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 105
Likes: 0
From: seated facing forward
Make the company lay it's cards on the table. I did read the ruling, and Judge Lane made it clear that AMR did not need unlimited codesharing because the competition did not have it. If American Eagle actually files an 1113 motion, then they will have to prove how the changes to our contract are needed. That could be difficult, since no other regional has contract terms as draconian as the term sheet. A scary path indeed, but maybe one we should take.
08-16-2012 | 07:47 PM
#114
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 224
Likes: 0
Make the company lay it's cards on the table. I did read the ruling, and Judge Lane made it clear that AMR did not need unlimited codesharing because the competition did not have it. If American Eagle actually files an 1113 motion, then they will have to prove how the changes to our contract are needed. That could be difficult, since no other regional has contract terms as draconian as the term sheet. A scary path indeed, but maybe one we should take.
08-16-2012 | 08:16 PM
#115
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 105
Likes: 0
From: seated facing forward
See In re
Express Freight Lines
Express Freight Lines
, Inc., 119 B.R. 1006, 1013–1018 (Bankr. E.D. Wis. 1990) (denying
debtors’ Section 1113 application on necessity grounds because the Court concluded that other
companies operated under contract terms similar to those the debtor sought to modify);
This is only one of the cases the court used as relevent case law to deny the company's 1113. How is our current contract out of line within our industry? I think the company would have trouble proving that.
I'm still undecided, waiting for final language. But that is why I am trying to educate myself of all the options.
debtors’ Section 1113 application on necessity grounds because the Court concluded that other
companies operated under contract terms similar to those the debtor sought to modify);
This is only one of the cases the court used as relevent case law to deny the company's 1113. How is our current contract out of line within our industry? I think the company would have trouble proving that.
I'm still undecided, waiting for final language. But that is why I am trying to educate myself of all the options.
be76flyer do you work for AA or AE, two very different animals in this bankruptcy proceeding.
Last edited by SnoJet440; 08-16-2012 at 08:36 PM. Reason: Need perspective.
08-17-2012 | 03:51 AM
#116
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 511
Likes: 0
Make the company lay it's cards on the table. I did read the ruling, and Judge Lane made it clear that AMR did not need unlimited codesharing because the competition did not have it. If American Eagle actually files an 1113 motion, then they will have to prove how the changes to our contract are needed. That could be difficult, since no other regional has contract terms as draconian as the term sheet. A scary path indeed, but maybe one we should take.
08-17-2012 | 07:50 AM
#117
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,413
Likes: 0
From: forever fo
Our original 1113 and your 1113 are almost the same. You will get some TA like we are getting that will be much better. The real question is what is the long term plan for Eagle and what is the long term plan for PNCL. That also will shape different agreements for each group, based on different desired uses long term.
08-17-2012 | 10:10 AM
#118
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 366
Likes: 0
Our original 1113 and your 1113 are almost the same. You will get some TA like we are getting that will be much better. The real question is what is the long term plan for Eagle and what is the long term plan for PNCL. That also will shape different agreements for each group, based on different desired uses long term.
Pinnacle's
*Pay Rates. The proposal includes significant reductions in pay rates for Captains, ranging (according to the company) from 7 to 24% from current rates. There have also been further reductions in the proposed single First Office rates beyond one year of longevity.
*Pay Scales. The company has proposed capping pay for Captains at 12 “steps” and capping First Officer pay at 4 years of service. Moreover, the company is seeking a provision to require pilots who upgrade to begin at “Step 1” Captain pay, no matter their prior longevity as a First Officer (or, for pilots who have been previously downgraded due to a displacement, their time as a Captain). Such a scheme would be unique in our industry.
* Uniform Allowance. Eliminate uniform allowance.
*Per Diem. Eliminate Per Diem on day trips.
*Reserve Days Off. Reduction of minimum days off for reserve pilots to 10.
*Health Care. Instead of the two CDHP plans proposed in the May 8 term sheet, the revised term sheet includes only a single HRA plan, with a 35% pilot contribution.
I may have missed a few things, but I think I got most of them. I was ****ed when I say Eagle's original 1113. If they proposed an 1113 like Pinnacle's to us, I would have said go ahead and burn the mo fo down!
08-17-2012 | 06:40 PM
#119
Banned
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Likes: 0
Make no mistake, Eagle ALPA has an agenda and manipulating their own pilots is a given.
08-17-2012 | 06:46 PM
#120
Thread Starter
Banned
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 562
Likes: 0
also sent out how the votes were cast by the LEC for the TA
ORD = yes (of course)
DFW = both abstained (wussys)
LAX = NO
I forget the rest, but at least LAX was smart
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Lbell911
Regional
23
04-22-2012 10:33 AM
