View Poll Results: How will you vote for for this TA
Yes - Furlough 1,500 pilots and downgrade 405 Captains
73
27.14%
No - Furlough all 2,300 pilots
70
26.02%
HELL NO!!!
126
46.84%
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Poll: Pinnacle TA - Vote Yes or No (Dec 22)
12-26-2012 | 07:16 PM
#91
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That only works because the bully ends up at least a little bit bloodied in the process, as well. In this case, fighting back doesn't bloody Delta's nose at all. I doubt they care one way or the other. Because no matter what, they're getting their cost reduction. It's just a matter of how.
12-26-2012 | 07:26 PM
#92
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That only works because the bully ends up at least a little bit bloodied in the process, as well. In this case, fighting back doesn't bloody Delta's nose at all. I doubt they care one way or the other. Because no matter what, they're getting their cost reduction. It's just a matter of how.
If pilots continue to give in, maybe one day we'll be paid in company scrip.
12-26-2012 | 07:29 PM
#93
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That only works because the bully ends up at least a little bit bloodied in the process, as well. In this case, fighting back doesn't bloody Delta's nose at all. I doubt they care one way or the other. Because no matter what, they're getting their cost reduction. It's just a matter of how.
12-26-2012 | 07:31 PM
#94
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Meanwhile, most of us our out on the street with no benefits in the next few months, and EVERYONE is out by years end.
Seems to me like the only losers in that scenario is the Pinnacle pilot group? Its a win/win for Delta, they don't care what happens, they will get their cost savings no matter the outcome of this vote. The only question is what will become of the Pinnacle pilot group...
12-26-2012 | 07:37 PM
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That only works because the bully ends up at least a little bit bloodied in the process, as well. In this case, fighting back doesn't bloody Delta's nose at all. I doubt they care one way or the other. Because no matter what, they're getting their cost reduction. It's just a matter of how.
12-26-2012 | 07:54 PM
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Honest question: Why do people keep saying that Delta will get their feed costs cut either way Pinnacle pilots vote? If Pinnacle pilots vote "No" and the company shutsdown, doesn't that diminish Delta's ability to whipsaw? I haven't heard anything about Delta using Comair's costs to try to drive down the costs of other carriers. Once a carrier no longer provides feed for a certain price, that price becomes irrelevant in future negotiations. I don't work at 9E and would never try to tell someone there how to vote (not that a random opinion on a message board would sway a reasonable person's vote anyway), but I don't see how a "No" vote could be seen as having the same long term effect on the industry as a "Yes" vote.
12-26-2012 | 07:58 PM
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One of the arguments I've heard from the "yes" voters is that the company will just refile the 1113(c) and force it down our throats anyway. This goes against what the company has publicly stated. The company has stated that they do not intend to refile the 1113. They have also stated that we would be wound down, and the only question then is over the time frame.
It doesn't seem likely to me that the company would bother with wasting time trying to cut our costs by force when we are certainly getting shut down by Delta. What would be their justification, if the company has a termination date regardless of cost? How could a judge justify imposing draconian cuts, when doing so will not extend the life of the company? The judge does have discretion, but he needs a foundation to stand on.
It doesn't seem likely to me that the company would bother with wasting time trying to cut our costs by force when we are certainly getting shut down by Delta. What would be their justification, if the company has a termination date regardless of cost? How could a judge justify imposing draconian cuts, when doing so will not extend the life of the company? The judge does have discretion, but he needs a foundation to stand on.
12-26-2012 | 08:00 PM
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Honest question: Why do people keep saying that Delta will get their feed costs cut either way Pinnacle pilots vote? If Pinnacle pilots vote "No" and the company shutsdown, doesn't that diminish Delta's ability to whipsaw? I haven't heard anything about Delta using Comair's costs to try to drive down the costs of other carriers. Once a carrier no longer provides feed for a certain price, that price becomes irrelevant in future negotiations. I don't work at 9E and would never try to tell someone there how to vote (not that a random opinion on a message board would sway a reasonable person's vote anyway), but I don't see how a "No" vote could be seen as having the same long term effect on the industry as a "Yes" vote.
12-26-2012 | 09:29 PM
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They see it in these 2 ways...either TA passes and those lower rates are used in future negotiations at other regionals, or pinnacle shuts down and other regional pilots see 2 big regionals shut down for not playing ball and would rather take a lower rate than be on the street.
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