buddies8

tomorrow never comes, it is always yesterday.

Mason32

What exactly would you like us to do? Our guys put us out there at your meeting in open session today with your MEC. More has been done in the past few months than in the preceding decade. I'm told you have some good new blood in there.

I will tell you if you are looking for numbers; we are right in the middle of an SLI with USAPA. discussion wouldn't happen until after then.

Bzzt

I didn't really expect anything honestly, there really isn't anything to be done. The flow has always been a loser's bet, the only guys who take it are Eagle lifers who either couldn't get hired anywhere else or never tried. I'm just curious as to what you thought was going to be the outcome of this mess when you gave the advice to stay at Eagle. I doubt it was our MEC throwing out some weak counter proposal and sending some modified concessions to the pilot group.

As to APA and USAPA coming to an agreement on a SLI I'd bet hell freezes over quite a bit sooner than that. You're taking the pilot group who famously bent TWA pilots over and the group who still hasn't merged since their last merger. If guys at Eagle are waiting for numbers and they need to wait for that to be accomplished, they better be getting numbers for their great grandchildren, not themselves.

In the end this is business as usual and if I'm still here when this comes to a vote I will be voting no if there is one concession in the agreement, no matter how small.

Edit: Sorry for the rant, you just got me so excited something may actually happen differently this time around. I was a fool and let myself get optimistic.

Tsuda

This is what the NY captain LEC rep is saying. These postings are on ****************.

"The APA remains very interested in operating the E175 as a mainline aircraft. Helping their regional brothers (us) fill those seats at the mainline is part of that objective. They issued a recent press release a few weeks back saying as much."

"There have been a lot of discussions. Some of them have included the various processes that could be used to move the planes and the pilots over.
That said, they don't want 2700 new members who roll over on command for the company. They want pilots, who understand the value of the skilled professional services they provide, and are not willing to prostitute themselves because somebody "may" do it cheaper.

The reality is that very soon every legacy and box hauler will begin hiring in earnest. There will be no shortage of GOOD pilot jobs with career advancement without the need to wait for a 6 year flow-thru program. Regionals will shrink, but it won't be furloughs, just attrition as everybody who wants to go to the next level leaves. That is managements problem to deal with, not ours.

There is NO pilot shortage; only a shortage of pilots willing to work for poverty wages and crappy work rules."

chignutsak

I'm sure the APA is VERY interested in 2500+ pilots as stapled furlough fodder.

labbats

Good point. I'd also question the validity of the argument when you're dealing with the same folks who decided $40/hr was acceptable first year pay. I don't feel that the bottom of the list has ever been or ever will be much of a focus in any negotiation.

buddies8

yes furlough fodder. but here is the catch, a lot of dumbo's believe better on furlough from AA than employed at AE. Even if they are furloughed for 10 years. I.Q. of eagle pilots registers at the bottom of the scale.

SebastianDesoto

If someone is able to secure reasonable contract work during furlough, it would not be a bad deal at all. Of course, a person can not count on it or plan for it. But with the combined effect of all the working conditions that eagle management is proposing I think I would prefer other jobs (especially contract) while on furlough rather than work at eagle.

buddies8

so let see,
capitulate at eagle as pilots,
get stapled at AA on bottom,
get furloughed from said bottom,
get contract job while on furlough,
come back from furlough after five or more years,
be at the bottom on reserve again crash padding.

hey sounds like a real plan.

Bzzt

I'd 100% rather be furloughed at AA working at my local Home Depot than flying for garbage wages and work rules at AE.