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Old 03-07-2013 | 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by pa28dakota
Comair is the only one it shrunk to oblivion and that is only because they went on strike. Every other wholey owned got built up, then spun off. Here's my optomistic prediction...another 30 CRJ-900s since XJT is too expensive now thanks to PCL to ever have a prayer of securing them...possible CRJ-700 flying....and when Delta is done...sell to SKW with the stipulation that the PCL side cannot be integrated with the rest so they can use our pilot group to whipsaw the rest into submission. That's the Delta game and the whipsaw is coming for XJT. Pessimistic prediction...PCL shrinks in early 2014 and the furloughs happen...then either Im already at a LCC (Im pretty high time) or then I go to whoever is growing (minus G7). The mass exodus you speak of will happen everywhere so that can't be a factor to conisder XJT over others. Anyone getting into a regional now will sit at the bottom of a list until the shrinkage of ALL regionals is complete into 2 super regionals and 3 to 4 smaller regionals that will be left when all is said and done. Only then will there be movement up the lists.
Some mighty bold statements there. You almost seem to be proud that you undercut XJT and everyone else. You're right. Please stay at Pinnacle. Good luck, and enjoy those 700s, and enjoy VA or JB, lol.

But mark my words... SKW will NEVER buy PCL. Ever. If that's your savior plan, you'll be disappointed. I think SKW has had enough of acquisitions after our failed merger. And your fantasy that Delta can stipulate no merger might be frowned upon by the NMB when we file a single carrier petition. Much to learn you have, young Skywalker.
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Old 03-07-2013 | 05:13 AM
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Update from the Manger of Pilot Recruiting at ExpressJet. They are planning to hire 60 pilots total for the months of March and April.
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Old 03-07-2013 | 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Are you insane? You must be drinking some great kool-aid over there at PCL! If you think Delta is EVER going to grow a wholly owned sub, you need to talk to some Comair folks.
Wow, "EVER" is a long time. Yes, history has a way of repeating itself, but that will not be the case here. Get back to me in 1 year and let me know if you think Delta still intends to shrink 9E.

Delta has had a plan for PCL for many months, a plan which did not hinge on the outcome of the pilot vote as some people may believe. The staffing dynamic at regional airlines has changed and I believe Delta recognizes that. There WILL be a regional pilot shortage within 2 years unless the pay increases (won't happen) or if new hires are guaranteed career progression to a major.
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Old 03-07-2013 | 05:33 AM
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Some mighty bold statements there. You almost seem to be proud that you undercut XJT and everyone else. You're right. Please stay at Pinnacle. Good luck, and enjoy those 700s, and enjoy VA or JB, lol.

But mark my words... SKW will NEVER buy PCL. Ever. If that's your savior plan, you'll be disappointed. I think SKW has had enough of acquisitions after our failed merger. And your fantasy that Delta can stipulate no merger might be frowned upon by the NMB when we file a single carrier petition. Much to learn you have, young Skywalker.
Proud no, rolling with the punches yes. I was a no voter because I thought my position was doomed no matter how the vote went. I had my interview prior to the vote at 9E and thought the no vote could help a future at XJT. Well most of my coworkers went for self preservation and now I have to decide what Im going to do based on the majorities decision. Funny though how XJT'ers didn't blow up to us how the vote could have screwed ya until after the vote was done. To most of us at 9E we didn't even know it was in your CPA to be the 2nd lowest cost DCI until after the fact. All we heard was a bunch of you guys telling us to vote no for the good of the industry. Delta dangled its carrots to get what it wanted and here we are today.

So SKW won't buy PCL...ok I believe that as much as I believed PCL wouldn't buy Mesaba. Introduce proverbial Delta gun to head of management just like they did to yours for that rate reset provision. If a major wants something, they WILL get it. Stranger things have happened and if there is one constant at regionals is uncertainty that ANYTHING can happen at the whims of it's mainline partners.

I agree with the previous poster. XJT's future is not rosey...as with any other regional. The likely short term scenario will be arbitrated rates on UAL side for 70 seaters much lower than ASA's, then those rates will be used to whipsaw the ASA side into a lower rate for a single contract between the two carriers. The recruiters already dropped the bomb to me that they are looking at a 2:1 swap on the United side. If the mainlines don't like it or don't like the speed at which costs drop, they will start shuffling the flying around. XJT will shrink...question is how much and how painful it is. At least ya guys have it going for you that the shrinking will most likely be outside of bankruptcy.
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Old 03-07-2013 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by pa28dakota
Proud no, rolling with the punches yes. I was a no voter because I thought my position was doomed no matter how the vote went. I had my interview prior to the vote at 9E and thought the no vote could help a future at XJT. Well most of my coworkers went for self preservation and now I have to decide what Im going to do based on the majorities decision. Funny though how XJT'ers didn't blow up to us how the vote could have screwed ya until after the vote was done. To most of us at 9E we didn't even know it was in your CPA to be the 2nd lowest cost DCI until after the fact. All we heard was a bunch of you guys telling us to vote no for the good of the industry. Delta dangled its carrots to get what it wanted and here we are today.
Glad to hear you voted no. But many of us (me included) tried to tell you guys before the vote and nobody listened. Plus, your lack of due diligence before voting isn't our fault. Our "2nd lowest" clause should be common knowledge by now. I don't believe you guys didn't know about it, I do believe you didn't care... and many knew about it, hoping to undercut us and secure the 900 growth.

Originally Posted by pa28dakota
So SKW won't buy PCL...ok I believe that as much as I believed PCL wouldn't buy Mesaba. Introduce proverbial Delta gun to head of management just like they did to yours for that rate reset provision. If a major wants something, they WILL get it. Stranger things have happened and if there is one constant at regionals is uncertainty that ANYTHING can happen at the whims of it's mainline partners.
Apparently you haven't noticed that SkyWest Inc. has been quickly diversifying their business away from Delta. Delta flying is now a minority of their total, and will continue to shrink. Right now Delta needs Jerry more than Jerry needs Delta. He isn't going to continue playing their games, and will not bid below cost, causing the Delta side to shrink further. So now that we've addressed the "forced sale" of PCL, give me one good reason why SkyWest Inc would want to invest in that company. Knowing how SkyWest operates, I say if they were going to buy it, they would have swooped in during the bankruptcy. They paid 26 million for the Expressjet division, when analysts predicted they were 6 months from bankruptcy.

Originally Posted by pa28dakota
I agree with the previous poster. XJT's future is not rosey...as with any other regional. The likely short term scenario will be arbitrated rates on UAL side for 70 seaters much lower than ASA's, then those rates will be used to whipsaw the ASA side into a lower rate for a single contract between the two carriers. The recruiters already dropped the bomb to me that they are looking at a 2:1 swap on the United side. If the mainlines don't like it or don't like the speed at which costs drop, they will start shuffling the flying around. XJT will shrink...question is how much and how painful it is. At least ya guys have it going for you that the shrinking will most likely be outside of bankruptcy.

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Old 03-07-2013 | 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Glad to hear you voted no. But many of us (me included) tried to tell you guys before the vote and nobody listened. Plus, your lack of due diligence before voting isn't our fault. Our "2nd lowest" clause should be common knowledge by now. I don't believe you guys didn't know about it, I do believe you didn't care... and many knew about it, hoping to undercut us and secure the 900 growth.



Apparently you haven't noticed that SkyWest Inc. has been quickly diversifying their business away from Delta. Delta flying is now a minority of their total, and will continue to shrink. Right now Delta needs Jerry more than Jerry needs Delta. He isn't going to continue playing their games, and will not bid below cost, causing the Delta side to shrink further. So now that we've addressed the "forced sale" of PCL, give me one good reason why SkyWest Inc would want to invest in that company. Knowing how SkyWest operates, I say if they were going to buy it, they would have swooped in during the bankruptcy. They paid 26 million for the Expressjet division, when analysts predicted they were 6 months from bankruptcy.
I sincerely hope that the ASA PBS has an option to avoid flying with you. Enjoy your paycut.

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Old 03-07-2013 | 06:16 AM
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Good to know he's as hated at ASA as he is at XJT (though he will probably say he was just trolling and doesn't care). The sad part is if what he says is true he's just a lifer and nothing more.

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Old 03-07-2013 | 06:26 AM
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I sincerely hope that the ASA PBS has an option to avoid flying with you.
It does and FO's use it.
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Old 03-07-2013 | 06:34 AM
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Do you realize whatever good points that you might have been trying to make just got lost because of that last paragraph?

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Old 03-07-2013 | 06:46 AM
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The point I was making is that it's pretty stupid to talk trash about a company while you're in their hiring pool. He went into great detail about how he thinks XJT has no future. Do you guys really disagree with that.
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