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Old 03-05-2013 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Well, actually, if you want to get technical, Delta forced SkyWest to agree to this at gunpoint, as a condition of the sale of ASA and the ATL gates. Delta then proceeded to create a cadre of "new" DCI carriers like GoJets and Silver, and then forced Mesa and Pinnacle into bankruptcy, forcing their contracts to be gutted. So really, SkyWest signed it in good faith, then Delta did everything in their power to ensure SkyWest could never reach that goal by constantly moving the goal posts.

I know you guys think Delta is the be all and end all, but fortunately for you guys, you never get the receiving end of their shady dealings. But enjoy that profit sharing check.

So you're saying Skywest Inc was forced to purchase ASA? It wasn't their decision to do so?

If you don't like the terms on a car loan, do you sign the agreement? If so, it's no one's fault but your own.
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Old 03-05-2013 | 03:12 PM
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So you're saying Skywest Inc was forced to purchase ASA? It wasn't their decision to do so?
Well, I can't say I believe it either. However, I can see how it does make since. I too am not convinced that Pinnacle willingly bought Mesaba. I could actually see how Delta "forced" their hand if you will. Which created the spending issues, that created the bankruptcy, thus the new contract, and now Skywest has to go even lower by 2015.

So either Delta has had a large string of fortune for an extended time, or someone is doing a good job playing puppet master.
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Old 03-05-2013 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Hercdaddy22
Does anyone know if classes will continue after the 18th?
The 18 March class is full. They offered some a standby spot for the class. I know someone that was scheduled to Interview today.

If they are still Interviewing, it sounds to me like there might be more classes in the near future. But then again, there is some weird stuff going on with all the airlines right now.
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Old 03-05-2013 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mpilot153
The 18 March class is full. They offered some a standby spot for the class. I know someone that was scheduled to Interview today.

If they are still Interviewing, it sounds to me like there might be more classes in the near future. But then again, there is some weird stuff going on with all the airlines right now.
Weird stuff?!?!?... I think is business, crazy business as usual.
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Old 03-05-2013 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
So you're saying Skywest Inc was forced to purchase ASA? It wasn't their decision to do so?

If you don't like the terms on a car loan, do you sign the agreement? If so, it's no one's fault but your own.
Well, you read too much into the wrong part of that, but yes, since you mention it, I think Delta "made SKW an offer they couldn't refuse". The part that was arm twisting was the second lowest cost. That part was firm take it or leave it.

To use your car loan analogy, imagine you live in a country with only one dealership who makes one model. They charge what they want, and you take it or you walk. Guess that's your own fault?
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Old 03-05-2013 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Well, you read too much into the wrong part of that, but yes, since you mention it, I think Delta "made SKW an offer they couldn't refuse". The part that was arm twisting was the second lowest cost. That part was firm take it or leave it.

To use your car loan analogy, imagine you live in a country with only one dealership who makes one model. They charge what they want, and you take it or you walk. Guess that's your own fault?
Skywest Inc didn't have to sign the deal. They could take their business to UAL, CAL, or Us Air. No one forced them to agree to the terms of the CPA. Skywest Inc willingly agreed to the rate reset. They chose to do so in order to secure flying. Why would they be so reliant on Delta? They're strong enough to make it on their own, right?
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Old 03-05-2013 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Skywest Inc didn't have to sign the deal. They could take their business to UAL, CAL, or Us Air. No one forced them to agree to the terms of the CPA. Skywest Inc willingly agreed to the rate reset. They chose to do so in order to secure flying. Why would they be so reliant on Delta? They're strong enough to make it on their own, right?
Man, you sure live under a rock. I can understand defending your employer, but sometimes the obvious is just what it appears to be.
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Old 03-05-2013 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Skywest Inc didn't have to sign the deal. They could take their business to UAL, CAL, or Us Air. No one forced them to agree to the terms of the CPA. Skywest Inc willingly agreed to the rate reset. They chose to do so in order to secure flying. Why would they be so reliant on Delta? They're strong enough to make it on their own, right?
Not in 2004 they couldn't!!! Revisionist history at its finest! At that time ASA performed more than 80% of the regional flying in Delta's largest hub, and that was ASA's only hub! Can't exactly shop that around! Oh, and Delta owned the airplanes, which became part of the deal.

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Man, you sure live under a rock. I can understand defending your employer, but sometimes the obvious is just what it appears to be.
Indeed!
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Old 03-05-2013 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by gojo
Man, you sure live under a rock. I can understand defending your employer, but sometimes the obvious is just what it appears to be.
Ok. I guess Skywest Inc was forced to purchase ASA then.

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Not in 2004 they couldn't!!! Revisionist history at its finest! At that time ASA performed more than 80% of the regional flying in Delta's largest hub, and that was ASA's only hub! Can't exactly shop that around! Oh, and Delta owned the airplanes, which became part of the deal.
Sooooo......explain to me again how Skywest was forced to purchase ASA?
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Old 03-05-2013 | 06:20 PM
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Can we get this thread back to the point? Congrats to everyone getting a class.
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