What's the deal-e-o with RAH Ejet training?
06-01-2013 | 06:24 AM
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[QUOTE=PilotJ3;1419642]
They didn't screw you out of a PIC type. They saved more FO's from busting their ride who already have an ATP since the type would be a more difficult ride vs a regular PC.[/QUOTE
Like if would be so much different of a regular PC!!! The only thing is that there's no retraining. Didn't you said before that to be a E-170 pilot you really have to step up your game?!?!?!?!?
It actually is, you would be surprised how many FO's are busting the ATP ride. I'm not even talking about new hires but FO's who have been on the plane for at least a year or more. I would estimate about 35% of FO's just haven't prepared for the ride well or only prepared as if it was a normal PC and failed. And yes, I've seen countless ex 145 or CRJ200 pilots who just couldn't step up and bring their A game. Sometimes it's just the inability to adapt to the fact that the engines are under the wings and farther apart which increases differential thrust, requiring more rudder on single engine approaches and V1 cuts compared to the 145 or 200.
They didn't screw you out of a PIC type. They saved more FO's from busting their ride who already have an ATP since the type would be a more difficult ride vs a regular PC.[/QUOTE
Like if would be so much different of a regular PC!!! The only thing is that there's no retraining. Didn't you said before that to be a E-170 pilot you really have to step up your game?!?!?!?!?
06-01-2013 | 06:37 AM
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It actually is, you would be surprised how many FO's are busting the ATP ride. I'm not even talking about new hires but FO's who have been on the plane for at least a year or more. I would estimate about 35% of FO's just haven't prepared for the ride well or only prepared as if it was a normal PC and failed. And yes, I've seen countless ex 145 or CRJ200 pilots who just couldn't step up and bring their A game. Sometimes it's just the inability to adapt to the fact that the engines are under the wings and farther apart which increases differential thrust, requiring more rudder on single engine approaches and V1 cuts compared to the 145 or 200.
got 145 and 170 types...
i still think 170 is far easier on the v1 cuts than 145, at least in the sim
no problems with jet classes getting filled, it's the q they cant staff as new hires realize they'll be on reserve for years...the music has stopped on that fleet with no more planes coming
It actually is, you would be surprised how many FO's are busting the ATP ride. I'm not even talking about new hires but FO's who have been on the plane for at least a year or more. I would estimate about 35% of FO's just haven't prepared for the ride well or only prepared as if it was a normal PC and failed. And yes, I've seen countless ex 145 or CRJ200 pilots who just couldn't step up and bring their A game. Sometimes it's just the inability to adapt to the fact that the engines are under the wings and farther apart which increases differential thrust, requiring more rudder on single engine approaches and V1 cuts compared to the 145 or 200.
i still think 170 is far easier on the v1 cuts than 145, at least in the sim
no problems with jet classes getting filled, it's the q they cant staff as new hires realize they'll be on reserve for years...the music has stopped on that fleet with no more planes coming
06-01-2013 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Karma
Sometimes it's just the inability to adapt to the fact that the engines are under the wings and farther apart which increases differential thrust, requiring more rudder on single engine approaches and V1 cuts compared to the 145 or 200.
06-01-2013 | 07:41 AM
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Isn't that why airplanes with engines under the wings have comparatively massive tails and rudders? With hydraulic flight controls it seems like it ought to be a wash. Are AA and DAL pilots having trouble when they transition from the MD80 (or the "Super" 80) to the 737? Granted, I've never flown a 170 so maybe there really is something extra challenging about it, but I doubt it. For that matter, SkyWest puts new hires in the Brasilia, and if you want to talk differential thrust...
06-01-2013 | 08:14 AM
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[QUOTE=Karma;1419754]
It actually is, you would be surprised how many FO's are busting the ATP ride. I'm not even talking about new hires but FO's who have been on the plane for at least a year or more. I would estimate about 35% of FO's just haven't prepared for the ride well or only prepared as if it was a normal PC and failed. And yes, I've seen countless ex 145 or CRJ200 pilots who just couldn't step up and bring their A game. Sometimes it's just the inability to adapt to the fact that the engines are under the wings and farther apart which increases differential thrust, requiring more rudder on single engine approaches and V1 cuts compared to the 145 or 200.
Karma yur way off point. Im sure guys bust but to deny the atp guys a type ride is a little rediculous- you afraid of a type ride or are u a ca?
It actually is, you would be surprised how many FO's are busting the ATP ride. I'm not even talking about new hires but FO's who have been on the plane for at least a year or more. I would estimate about 35% of FO's just haven't prepared for the ride well or only prepared as if it was a normal PC and failed. And yes, I've seen countless ex 145 or CRJ200 pilots who just couldn't step up and bring their A game. Sometimes it's just the inability to adapt to the fact that the engines are under the wings and farther apart which increases differential thrust, requiring more rudder on single engine approaches and V1 cuts compared to the 145 or 200.
06-01-2013 | 09:30 AM
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[QUOTE=showmethemoney;1419761]
Wait, the old people come to Tucson in the winter, then head up to Colorado for the summer. Are you telling me those new Q400's are going to sit idle in the Arizona sun over the summer instead of going north with the snowbirds?
Even old people are smarter than airline management!
Even old people are smarter than airline management!
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