Stop the Whipsaw!
09-07-2013 | 01:47 PM
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All of this is mental masturbation.
Regional pilots in their specific groups are going to do what benefits them, their families, and their wallet before they will give any thought to unity. This is human nature. We saw it at Comair with multiple concessions. We saw it at Pinnacle. Now we've seen it at PSA. All this talk of unity is meaningless.
Even Kit Darby (gasp!) predicted this bloodbath we're seeing in the regionals, and its only going to get worse, as JM mentioned, because of the quickly shrinking regional pie. We indeed lost the battle sometime around 2006.
Instead of "unity" campaigns, regional pilots need to be updating their resumes, and contacts. The only thing that will stop the whipsaw is regional pilots voting with their feet, en masse. It probably won't matter anyhow, because even with these draconian concessions that line management and mainline pilots pockets, regionals are still going away. The business model of regional jets has failed. Delta is already flying mainline equipment to places like Chattanooga, TN, Augusta, GA, Montgomery AL that used to be 50 seat CRJs or even turboprops. With the 717s even more is coming. ALPA has been telling us for 10 years that they want to take it back. Now it looks like they've finally accomplished it, not through spending negotiating capitol on scope, but by making RJ flying uneconomical. Quite a brilliant strategy. I would surely hate to be a lifer are a regional right now. I bet JM is scared.
Regional pilots in their specific groups are going to do what benefits them, their families, and their wallet before they will give any thought to unity. This is human nature. We saw it at Comair with multiple concessions. We saw it at Pinnacle. Now we've seen it at PSA. All this talk of unity is meaningless.
Even Kit Darby (gasp!) predicted this bloodbath we're seeing in the regionals, and its only going to get worse, as JM mentioned, because of the quickly shrinking regional pie. We indeed lost the battle sometime around 2006.
Instead of "unity" campaigns, regional pilots need to be updating their resumes, and contacts. The only thing that will stop the whipsaw is regional pilots voting with their feet, en masse. It probably won't matter anyhow, because even with these draconian concessions that line management and mainline pilots pockets, regionals are still going away. The business model of regional jets has failed. Delta is already flying mainline equipment to places like Chattanooga, TN, Augusta, GA, Montgomery AL that used to be 50 seat CRJs or even turboprops. With the 717s even more is coming. ALPA has been telling us for 10 years that they want to take it back. Now it looks like they've finally accomplished it, not through spending negotiating capitol on scope, but by making RJ flying uneconomical. Quite a brilliant strategy. I would surely hate to be a lifer are a regional right now. I bet JM is scared.
First paragraph especially. Most people **** talking PSA will **** talk every other airline facing concessions but when it comes to them, they wouldn't vote no. The people most vocal and negative on this forum are the most selfish.
09-07-2013 | 05:16 PM
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You are incorrect. GoJets was formed to get around AA scope. TSA could not operate larger jets on the same certificate as the 50 seaters.
How it worked with a seniority list or separate union - or even a single list - would not have changed the requirement for a new certificate.
Back on topic.
Eagle is in BK and still said no to USAir concession demands. Z
What's PSA's excuse?
Why is your MEC even entertaining concessions?
Do mechanics take concessions so the company will but them new tools?
What plane they give you to fly isn't your problem to solve. If they want maximum profits, provide the employees the correct equipment and tools.
How it worked with a seniority list or separate union - or even a single list - would not have changed the requirement for a new certificate.
Back on topic.
Eagle is in BK and still said no to USAir concession demands. Z
What's PSA's excuse?
Why is your MEC even entertaining concessions?
Do mechanics take concessions so the company will but them new tools?
What plane they give you to fly isn't your problem to solve. If they want maximum profits, provide the employees the correct equipment and tools.
Take your vitriol somewhere else. WOuld you sacrifice to make my life better? No.
09-07-2013 | 07:08 PM
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09-08-2013 | 01:47 PM
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Not all of them. Most of the specialized tools are provided. If you're talking regular screwdrivers and stuff; yes. Just like pilots buy their kitbags and jepp binders.... But we don't buy the chart subscriptions.
Just like the new EFB's... We don't buy those either.
Just like the new EFB's... We don't buy those either.
09-09-2013 | 07:38 AM
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09-09-2013 | 07:43 AM
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But the regionals aren't "coordinating"...We all negotiate separately. Nothing changes unless you have brand scope and one single negotiations for that brand. ALPA failed the basics....Now this is the result....
09-09-2013 | 07:53 AM
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Eagle had this but ALPA have it away overnight, most of it was gone before BK!
09-09-2013 | 07:59 AM
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It's funny to watch the Eagle and LXJT(former CALEXP) folks get so worked up now about "whipsaw".....Delta Connection, United Express, and USAir Express folks have been subject to the competition within a brand for over 20 years....Welcome to the party....
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