How you feeling about (supposedly) turning down Compass?

 

...are you that FO that commutes from Vegas?

 

You are a hypocrite. Some of your very first posts on this board were slamming PSA, and me personally.

I voted no but stated that it was a difficult decision. You blasted me for even thinking about voting yes....My response? Wait until it is YOUR chance to vote. Because what it takes, and what it means, to vote NO really sinks in since it is now YOUR job, YOUR family, and YOUR livelihood.

I do pretty much agree with what you are saying, but after seeing you be so vocal against other groups that had a difficult decision it's difficult to read and comes off as disingenuous.

 

No.

Pagey I apologize for blasting you guys, I was an angry internet warrior. I realized these decisions can't be made with a one size fits all approach and that what people decide for their families is no business of mine. In the end this is a job, not some cause to crusade for like a lot on these boards advocate. So again, I apologize.

80kts, I don't really regret turning that job down. I have heard very few success stories of guys making lateral moves. The only part of compass I really regret not being part of is how happy their people seemed to be in relation to what I've experienced at Eagle.

 

[QUOTE=Bzzt;1606714 In my opinion we are worth what supply and demand dictates. [/QUOTE]

If that's what you believe in, you don't act on your beliefs. Right now, demand is outpacing supply and in another year or so, it will be much more advantageous for those who are part of the supply. By voting this in now, you strip any hope of actually turning what you supposedly believe in (which I don't believe for a minute) into something you can capitalize on.

Like I said, I don't believe this bunk. What you REALLY believe in is, "me, myself and I" and believe this is good for you NOW and have no concern for anything else. If this passes, you're going to regret your position in the long-run and if this fails, you're too self-concerned to CORRECTLY identify and act on what is really in your best interests.

 

Were you the pilot who also said part of the decision to not go to Compass was the lack of pay during training? It would seem you are only worried about pay, because you are desperate to move on. You could have a better Qol as a high school gym teacher make what you make now, and in most states a constitutionally protected pension. The main difference between mainline and regional flying is pay and ego. So if it really isn’t pay then you’re buying flow to help your personal pride out. In my experience most people who aren’t concerned with pay in the sub 6 figure range have had someone else provide that luxury for them. People who put their own blood, sweat, tears & money in their job don’t want mgmt to stroll in every 3 years and take a dump on them. What’s to keep them for coming back next year for more flow and more cuts? Would you accept 3 & 10 caps for more flow 2 & 8? Where is your line in the sand if the company hasn’t crossed it?




BTW, does the current contract have an anti up clause since their so profitable now? Wouldn’t you lose that if it was there?

 

Not to derail you but that teachers pensions sounds great but it probably wont be there when you go to collect. Everything changed with Detroit entering bankruptcy. Rhode Island or California will be next and no pension will be safe.

 

How can you believe this? How do you think majors can have $200K+ pay scales and 17,000 applications at the same time? Do you think there are 17,000 doctors applying at any one hospital system? All you see on TV is fraud and corruption of unions and are thinking that they should no longer exist, and some shouldn’t. Man can corrupt anything even churches; that does not mean the system is a relic. The ONLY job security non-union workers have is to work for less than union scale. If you didn’t have a union you wouldn’t be getting the flow you desire you would just be getting the concessions. If you didn’t like it than you would be fired for flicking a burger in the wrong direction, and being employable nowhere with a big black mark on your record. You should take pride in paying your dues and use that opportunity to improve the things you don’t like. It seems the biggest consistency you have is you want an out, or to leave every time you don’t like something; you don’t want to put the gloves on and go to work. That is far more disrespectful to you than a mere “yes” vote.

 

You are probably right as they have set a trend, and pensions are a thing of the past, but technically the unfunded pension is only 3 billion and the total city debt is 17 billion, so the bond holders of that debt have the biggest fears right now. Same thing with AA they can now afford every pension 5 years or older they washed out in BK. The right model is so much more than the pay package. There is just no reasonable way to say now all new hires don’t get pensions; it usually is an all or nothing deal.

 

No, my reasoning is if we vote this in now I get my flow and management has a vested interest in keeping eagle afloat. In a few years when new hires are scarce management will have to increase compensation to attract new hires and I'll get the flow + better benefits.

And I have correctly identified my actions. I update my apps to major airlines after every trip, I do volunteer work, and I'm going to job fairs this year. I am doing everything I can to escape this steaming pile of a job.

Can't remember who posted it but something along the lines of mainline only provides pay and pride, that's not true. Their schedules are better due to the nature of their flying and this the qol is infinitely superior to regionals. That is the reason I want over there.

As to Compass. I am comfortable making 40k + the 20k my wife makes. I could not afford to pay for a hotel in training + airfare to training + 24k my first year. All those things combined to make a significant financial hardship.

In the end I do believe this will get voted down and I am comfortable with that decision if it comes to pass. In either case I'm going to work the next 3 years at Eagle and if I can't get a career job I'm out. I'm at peace with however this plays out.