Tricked: PDT keeping turboprops anyway
09-17-2014 | 03:22 PM
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I think the regional airline industry is on the edge of major consolidation. In the end it's not going to matter if your scale tops at $90 or $120 for a 76 seater, the amount of retirements combined with the lack of new pilots will see massive staffing shortages unlike anything we've seen so far and will result in most flying being brought back under the mainline. AAG and DAL are just shooting themselves in the foot here by pushing concessions and pay caps. They think the "promise" of a mainline job in the future is enough to attract people to the profession, but I think they're sorely mistaken. I say let them make this mistake, because it will only hasten the destruction of the regional industry. Good riddance.
09-17-2014 | 03:26 PM
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09-17-2014 | 03:47 PM
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Normally I don't care about grammar, I make mistakes all the time. But when you consistently make them or the error makes the sentence incoherent then I might say something, especially if you're an A hole.
09-17-2014 | 08:42 PM
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sarge,
Do you think we liked it? It was a sh!t sandwich vs diarrhea. Both options sucked. It was mediocre at best. There was nothing great about it. I am disappointed in my pilot group but we all had the option to vote and I stand by their decision whether I like it or not. What was your solution? PDT as an airline was closing in 2017 due to FAA limitations, not contracts expiring or leases coming up for renewal. We have 37 aircraft in service now and 9 gone by 2017 and more continuing to be parked in 2018. It doesn't make business sense to keep the airline open for 29. Those are facts, not fear.
Oh and someone asked earlier about the contract amendments in 2018 and 2022, all items are fair game. Both the association and the company can negotiate 5 items (that includes rates) and if a decision can not be reached after 120 days we enter 90 days for binding arbitration with an arbitrator.
Do you think we liked it? It was a sh!t sandwich vs diarrhea. Both options sucked. It was mediocre at best. There was nothing great about it. I am disappointed in my pilot group but we all had the option to vote and I stand by their decision whether I like it or not. What was your solution? PDT as an airline was closing in 2017 due to FAA limitations, not contracts expiring or leases coming up for renewal. We have 37 aircraft in service now and 9 gone by 2017 and more continuing to be parked in 2018. It doesn't make business sense to keep the airline open for 29. Those are facts, not fear.
Oh and someone asked earlier about the contract amendments in 2018 and 2022, all items are fair game. Both the association and the company can negotiate 5 items (that includes rates) and if a decision can not be reached after 120 days we enter 90 days for binding arbitration with an arbitrator.
"Negotiations" allow you to choose not to capitulate to the first offer management tries to shove down your throat, your pilot group could have chosen to join all the others(Expressjet, Envoy, Silver, and Republic) and vote NO! There was still plenty of time before 2017 for your pilot group to come to a much better agreement than the concessionary one that was voted in...
09-17-2014 | 08:58 PM
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"Negotiations" allow you to choose not to capitulate to the first offer management tries to shove down your throat, your pilot group could have chosen to join all the others(Expressjet, Envoy, Silver, and Republic) and vote NO! There was still plenty of time before 2017 for your pilot group to come to a much better agreement than the concessionary one that was voted in...
09-18-2014 | 03:47 AM
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dont forget AAG's clock is running out also.
interesting the RAH news comes out after the PDT vote. RAH has to canabalize another airline to cover the united deal as RAH had to do with the AAG deal. AAG has run out of places to place aircraft, lets not forget all these aircraft being placed at other carriers are place with NO concession required from those pilots up front and none have been asked for after.
interesting the RAH news comes out after the PDT vote. RAH has to canabalize another airline to cover the united deal as RAH had to do with the AAG deal. AAG has run out of places to place aircraft, lets not forget all these aircraft being placed at other carriers are place with NO concession required from those pilots up front and none have been asked for after.
09-18-2014 | 04:37 AM
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dont forget AAG's clock is running out also.
interesting the RAH news comes out after the PDT vote. RAH has to canabalize another airline to cover the united deal as RAH had to do with the AAG deal. AAG has run out of places to place aircraft, lets not forget all these aircraft being placed at other carriers are place with NO concession required from those pilots up front and none have been asked for after.
interesting the RAH news comes out after the PDT vote. RAH has to canabalize another airline to cover the united deal as RAH had to do with the AAG deal. AAG has run out of places to place aircraft, lets not forget all these aircraft being placed at other carriers are place with NO concession required from those pilots up front and none have been asked for after.
09-18-2014 | 04:50 AM
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Maybe we can cap RAH's FO pay at $37 to fly E190s? Isn't RAH the OG of capping FOs? Or no cx pay or zed ticketing benefit? I think RAH can afford these new planes because the pilot group voted no and stayed with their old work rules and pay. Unless people there think BB will come back with an awesome offer in few years now that they have secured bunch of flying. Again the planes goto the lowest bidder with or without the input of the pilot group.
09-18-2014 | 09:48 AM
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09-18-2014 | 11:06 AM
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Define Insatnity.
It's funny how the entire regional world hates piedmont's decision
When Piedmont was rejecting concessions for jets back in early 2000 everyone else was wetting their pants with SJS. Why do you think Piedmont is the only operator without JETs. Now its time for PDT to join the club they think they have SJS! Here's some advice, If your an FO with 350 pilots above you on the seniority list come to piedmont you will move up quick and guarantee flow to AA. Good Luck.
Once the first domino fall's (PSA)the domino effect occur.
When Piedmont was rejecting concessions for jets back in early 2000 everyone else was wetting their pants with SJS. Why do you think Piedmont is the only operator without JETs. Now its time for PDT to join the club they think they have SJS! Here's some advice, If your an FO with 350 pilots above you on the seniority list come to piedmont you will move up quick and guarantee flow to AA. Good Luck. Once the first domino fall's (PSA)the domino effect occur.
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