Do you actually believe that it is going to be all unicorns, shiny jets, slurpee machines in the crew rooms, and flow through from here on out for PDT??? Question: When have AAG or Airways mgt promises ever turned out in the overall favor of pilots? There is ALWAYS a catch. To think you can dance with the devil without repercussions is not wise. He'll sell you something, alright...but the price is always your soul.

Oh, and if you haven't noticed yet, flow through agreements are used by management as a retainment tool...not as a wonderful gift they are so happy to give pilots. Some folks do benefit by flowing in a reasonable time frame, but the name of the game is making you think twice before jumping to an LCC, major, etc. Way to many pilots fell victim over at Eagle bypassing good opportunities because that easy job at AA was right around the corner.

Remember, management is looking out for shareholders and themselves...not for folks like you. Besides, the I've never seen more "Maybes" and conditional statements in a contract than the LOA you guys just pushed through. I'd be looking out for the con...just sayin'.

 

Where did Piedmont people say it was all unicorns and slurpee machines??
We've protected ourselves the best we can. That's all we could do in this time period. As for the flow nobody has to go to American. Delta, United and JetBlue are hiring. This flow is just a get out of jail if needed deal. I know many people that want to go to Delta.

Believe me we are far from excited for this deal. It was survival to fight another day.

 

For starters, US Airways has honored both PSA and Piedmont's "Special Selection Process" hiring program down to the very last bullet point from day 1. Virtually everyone who has participated in the process has reported that it was a professional, enjoyable experience. Yes, they have turned down some guys who everybody thought would be shoe ins, but they have still honored their minimum number of hires. All of the worries about meddling with posted minimums (requiring jet time, etc.) that many were screaming about have not come true.

They have also honored PSA's fleet commitment to a T. And so far, they seem to be keeping good to their threat of Eagle's fate.

I say again, I am not happy with the situation, but the lies and hyperbole are flying wild. Time will tell how well Piedmont's contract is honored, but the record shows that, thus far, the current management team has honored their commitments. This is not the same American that negotiated Eagle's flowthrough, so that comparison is absolutely worthless.

 

I am very disappointed in PSA and now Piedmont for lowering the bar when the power was in our regional airlines hands. Sure it may not have been the best for your airline, but it would have been better for the industry as a whole. I hope every other regional won't accept these carrots and continue to fight for better contracts. This industry is just sad with pilots stabbing pilots just for shiny jet upgrade whatever syndrome.

 

Pretty sure this happened:

"Staffing Shortage Update
PSA management has recently taken a number of actions in an attempt to mitigate the pilot staffing shortage. First, management denied or canceled all Association leave for January, February, and March. Second, this weekend, management decided to hold four pilots at PSA indefinitely rather than allow them to begin a class at US Airways in March."

Flow through agreements will be violated as necessary to maintain staffing levels at regionals with training bubbles and new aircraft coming online. Expect to see much more of this in the future. They will never let those planes park due to staffing. That's bad business.

 

Yes. That did happen. Prior PSA management knowing staffing requirements for 117 did not act on those needs in a timely manner causing a staffing shortage in early 2014. The pilots held could only be held till the end of the calendar year, not indefinitely, and were allowed to go to mainline class after a couple of months. The clause allowing PSA to hold pilots was intended to cover shortages that the 30 900s may cause. AA was happy that it was being used to cover PSA management shortsightedness and made changes at PSA management as a result.

 

What you all did was buy some airplanes for AAG. He'll, you don't even know if you paid for E145s or E175s! Oh, and now you've given AAG a nice big stick to use against the other labor groups at your airline. Especially since large RJs don't have to come on property unless the other labor groups capitulate on contracts. Wow. Great job protecting yourself though. Fear is the greatest weapon a C-suite exec has available...so long as you/we succumb to it they own us as indentured servants rather than free thinking/choosing people.

As for fighting another day... People who talk about "living to fight another day" always end up living and never end up fighting. How are you planning to fight in the future? What is your line in the sand? You will still be a small airline who doesn't own its jets. You will simply continue to "live to fight another day" every time they come calling. It's like being a booty call, except it affects your family instead of just you.

 

Holding PSA pilots for a period of time is in their contract. They agreed to it. Are you saying that American is violating the agreement somehow? Piedmont has no such provision in their flow.

 

You know who's cracking up right now? AAG Management. Keep fighting each other though.

 

It's not shiny jet syndrome. I could care less about a new jet. This has to do with ME and MY FAMILY. I'm sorry I couldn't afford to lose my job to make your life better. You see the repercussions of a no vote at Envoy, a pilot group not used to dealing with Parker, the 47 planes Envoy is losing was the Entire PSA or PDT fleet. We could have easily been shut down within a year. I'm tired of all the selfish people at Envoy whining about the regional industry. The majors need pilots. You have no reason at this point to stay at a regional. Shut up, do your time, and get out. It's simple the next wave of guys can come in and do their time and move on as well. No one promised unicorns and rainbows in this profession. I knew that getting into this and if you didn't well it sucks you had to find out the hard way. This is business and it's about being employed. If I were a builder and you came to me and another guy to build your home and I quoted you 350k and he quotes you 375k who are you going to go with? Additionally, when I find out he quoted you 375k am I going to back away and go home and say "well dear I could have secured a job today but I didn't want to undercut a guy who was doing it for more money even though I could have made decent money doing it for less but we will go hungry now so his business can grow" no I'd be an idiot to do that grow up and take a class on strategic business models and how to run a profitable company. It would help if Envoy pilots would grow up and realize this had nothing to do with you and no one tried to sabotage you. It was business and these pilot groups were by far in different positions on voting.