Originally Posted by CBreezy

This is a GREAT point. Has anyone watched the price of fast food increase recently? The $5 footlong is long gone but until recently, Subway was making hand over fist. Even at Starbucks, the cost of coffee has risen significantly in the last 3 years alone. I refuse to buy that if the BK Lounge charges an extra 40 cents for a Whopper, people will stop going there. Hardly.



This is, by far, the worst argument. When the economy collapsed in 2008, millions of college-aged Americans got hosed. In 2007, you are told that if you go get a Bachelor's degree, you'll be making $50-70k right out of school. Well, what do you think happened when every single company started laying off? People with tenss of years of experience were now out of work. With them out looking for jobs, each year, millions of young adults hit the work force while the work force shrunk. These "lazy millennials" as you call them were forced to wait tables, tend bar, go live in their parents' basement and put themselves on a path to go to law school or get their PhD. They did it, not because they wanted to, but because there were hundreds of people with the exact qualifications as them entering the work force and others with experience getting laid off. If they attended more school, loan payments were deferred and if they stretched it out long enough, they'd eventually get that $50k-75k they were promised by the boomer generation when the originally "bought in" to the higher education pyramid scheme.

Originally Posted by mpet

Oh sorry, I totally forgot there are an infinite # of high paying skilled jobs going around this country and that University education is so affordable. I don't care what you did in high school, that doesn't mean anything. People work at McDonalds out of necessity not because they're lazy. McDonalds is making money hand over fist, they can afford to pay their employees more. You're another one of those annoying guys whose only argument is "I DID IT THIS WAY IT HAS TO BE THAT WAY FOR YOU." From an ethical and societal standpoint, simply because there is a lot of unskilled labor doesn't mean that a corporation shouldn't pay a fair livable wage... just because McDonalds could import people from all over the world to work in the U.S. for $2.00/hr doesn't mean that they should be allowed to.

Originally Posted by Waitingformins

Total cop out BS, Their parents told them they need to be the HNIC and a degree would do that. Hiding in college is not honorable or some poor mouthing story. They want to be a lawyer not a paralegal. Their sucking on their mamma's tits, or the governments complaining about min wage while turning down jobs that are "beneath" them. I never said they were lazy, but they are because being a paralegal making $20 an hour is "beneath" them. That would require working for a living which they wont do which makes them lazy.
Getting drunk in college was all that was important, and since a career didn't fall in their laps they got screwed.
"You expect me to work a blue color job?" Ill stay in school until my 40's to avoid that. BTW aren't those all filled by Mexicans?

Originally Posted by Waitingformins

Its not because I did it. Being a carpenter, plumber, or welder are skilled trades that pay way more than mim wage. Who is to poor to learn to weld?
"nope not for me I want to dik off, smoke pot, get drunk call in sick and make $15 dollars an hour at MD, and the government should make that happen. It takes 2 years to be an RN, they make more than min wage.

Originally Posted by CBreezy

I think you need to watch a little less FoxNews. Many of my peers graduated college to only minimum wage, blue collar jobs available. That's literally all there was. Communications majors, marketing, business administration, physics, mathematics, etc. No one was hiring any of them. I know many former classmates who had no other choice but to go back to school so they could afford their student loan debt. These people didn't have mama's teet to live off of. Their parents were poor, they got scholarships, but the system let them down. The baby boomers hosed them. And now, these same people, whose only job experiences include these non-skilled jobs, are complaining that minimum wage isn't high enough.

So, you get mad at these people for not taking minimum wage blue collar jobs during the recession but then tell them that they should quit trying to live off those jobs?

College Grad: There aren't any jobs in my field.
Old Republicans: Go get a job working with your hands
College Grad: But it's only minimum wage, I couldn't ever afford to pay my student loans
Old Republicans: So, you're too good for them?
College Grad: No. I'll do it, but it'll never prepare me to work in my field and I can't live on it forever. Can you raise minimum wage?
Old Republicans: No, these jobs are meant for High School kids. Maybe you should quit trying to mooch off the system and get a real job.

Originally Posted by Waitingformins

You don't have a field if you haven't had a job. It's just a desire. My high school buddy makes 60k a year plumbing houses. His wife makes mid 40s as an X-ray tech at a local hospital. Hardly min wage.
They watch Fox News
They vote republican
They are still in there 20's
They aren't on the governments teets. People's own ideas of themselves have prevented their actual earning potential.

Originally Posted by CBreezy

Which is fine. And I have friends in their 20s/30s who hate FoxNews, vote Democrat, and make over 100k a year. What's your point? You can be successful, make a lot of money, and be liberal. By the way, if you've invested $40k in an education, it is your field. We complain that there aren't enough people in STEM yet you are so quick to cast off the education and tell them to get an unrelated job. One of my best friends went to Penn State and graduated with a degree in Meteorology. Guess what? When he graduated in 2009, the government wasn't hiring. The Weather Channel wasn't hiring. So, he should just throw away an incredibly intensive 4-5 years of math and science, go to some Community College and get an HVAC certificate and give up on his field of study? That's ludicrous. That's not how you encourage engineers and scientists. It's probably also the reason 40% of Republicans don't believe in science.

Only FoxNews and uneducated conservatives actually believe everyone who isn't like them is just sucking on the government teet and not contributing at all.

Originally Posted by Waitingformins

That's outstanding for your friend. I am not telling anyone to throw away their efforts, but blaming wage stagnation on a lack of higher min wage is not the problem.
The American Dream is what my friend has and he's not a miracle worker. Spoiled entitled people have now turned the American Dream into a corner office with a secretary and a mahogany desk. If they don't receive that 3 years after their graduation then someone took a dump on their head. We collectively decided that we will not "work" for a living, and simultaneously complain about wage stagnation.

Originally Posted by CBreezy

One of my best friends went to Penn State and graduated with a degree in Meteorology. Guess what? When he graduated in 2009, the government wasn't hiring. The Weather Channel wasn't hiring.