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Old 05-10-2015, 07:22 PM
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Do you mean companies should go away that vote down a crappy TA? Or should they stick around and be spineless little pukes like those at PSA and PDT who voted in concessionary contracts?


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Boy you left a ton of airlines out. Envoy, GoJets, Mesa, Trans States, and I'm sure there's a few more that used there low labor cost to underbid people. You must just be getting in the business there kiddo.

While Republic voted no... There current contract is the worst of the worst. And is still way worse then any of the concessionary deals. And I'll be surprised if they even get close to a Envoy type deal.
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Boy you left a ton of airlines out. Envoy, GoJets, Mesa, Trans States, and I'm sure there's a few more that used there low labor cost to underbid people. You must just be getting in the business there kiddo.

While Republic voted no... There current contract is the worst of the worst. And is still way worse then any of the concessionary deals. And I'll be surprised if they even get close to a Envoy type deal.

8 years in and most likely your elder, kiddo.


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Old 05-10-2015, 07:27 PM
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8 years in and most likely your elder, kiddo.


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LOL, naw... and you're post showed that.
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Old 05-10-2015, 07:33 PM
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LOL, naw... and you're post showed that.
The fact you cannot discern "There" and "Their" in your above post leads me to believe the opposite. People of my generation were better schooled. Go ahead and blame it on some IPhone error now - kiddo.

Before that though, I believe anyone could have smelled the teen spirit on you.
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Old 05-10-2015, 07:35 PM
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Boy you left a ton of airlines out. Envoy, GoJets, Mesa, Trans States, and I'm sure there's a few more that used there low labor cost to underbid people. You must just be getting in the business there kiddo.

While Republic voted no... There current contract is the worst of the worst. And is still way worse then any of the concessionary deals. And I'll be surprised if they even get close to a Envoy type deal.
Who starts a sentence with "and"? Haha. Kid stuff ftw!
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Old 05-10-2015, 07:39 PM
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That may be true, but another accident of that caliber could happen any day and it will. This time it is going to be a crew that has all that required "experience" and a perfect record. Crews are human and simply make very poor decisions outside the sim sometimes. Some people are good operators and not great aviators or situational managers. Those things will never change and you can't always catch them. Then what?
People can accept that man. No one is perfect. What they can't accept is a pilot who was fired form Comair for failing to many PCs and working for a company with a terrible training program. Ignoring his back ground. With 100 hours in type and a weak tired fatigued fo making 16k a year. Training and experience had everything to do with that crash. Same thing with all these Asian crashes lately. ATP rule couldn't be more safe.
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Who starts a sentence with "and"? Haha. Kid stuff ftw!
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Old 05-10-2015, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator View Post
Sully and Skiles don't care about safety, they care about scope. They're exploiting 3407 and exaggerating the situation at the regionals to make it look like regionals are not safe so airlines will be pressured to move flying back to mainline. Their agenda during 1549 congressional testimony was transparent and obvious, and they used their notoriety to try to influence scope under the guise of safety.

I support moving all branded flying to mainline, I don't support exploiting tragedy and lying about the regionals to do it.
They are 100% correct. Creating a sub-group of contractors flying under brand name has created a second tier in safety.
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Old 05-10-2015, 09:41 PM
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Even if the 1500 rule goes away that's not going to do a damn thing to supply more pilots. The 1500 rule went into effect in 2013... the number of kids wanting to get into this profession was dismal long before that. Obviously I'm a huge proponent of the 1500hr rule but I'm just saying... at UND we're already stretched on instructors and that's with tons of people sticking around to 1000. If people were in and out of here any faster there would be literally nobody left to instruct or at least the capacity of students would go way down. That's not just bad for producing more American pilots but that would also put lots of strain on foreign carriers who train here as well.
Because the regionals waited too long to raise compensation for their pilots and now that the retirements are happening, they have put themselves in a corner they will not be able to get out of.

If they raised compensation across the board to attract new people to become pilots, it would take at least 3 years for those new pilots to get through the system.

An interesting quandary for sure.
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Old 05-10-2015, 09:46 PM
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They are 100% correct. Creating a sub-group of contractors flying under brand name has created a second tier in safety.
I was going to respond to Grumpy's post, but decided his opinion here wasn't worth the trouble. He comes across as far more jealous of Sully than objectively critical.
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