Wheels falling off at RAH
06-04-2015, 09:28 AM
#531
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Having a good or great contract obviously helps address your needs and maybe will keep current pilots from leaving.
But isn't the real question how to attract new talent to RAH? I would hypothesize that a new contract, which will be industry standard at best, does nothing to get new people in the door which is desperately needed to keep RAH from shrinking.
But isn't the real question how to attract new talent to RAH? I would hypothesize that a new contract, which will be industry standard at best, does nothing to get new people in the door which is desperately needed to keep RAH from shrinking.
06-04-2015, 09:45 AM
#532
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
Having a good or great contract obviously helps address your needs and maybe will keep current pilots from leaving.
But isn't the real question how to attract new talent to RAH? I would hypothesize that a new contract, which will be industry standard at best, does nothing to get new people in the door which is desperately needed to keep RAH from shrinking.
But isn't the real question how to attract new talent to RAH? I would hypothesize that a new contract, which will be industry standard at best, does nothing to get new people in the door which is desperately needed to keep RAH from shrinking.
They think they will be able to staff via signing bonuses ($12K is a lot for a young CFI with flight training loans), pouring more resources into recruitment, touting their bases (live in Miami and er...Pittsburgh!), and using the "employee engagement" tactics to sway people on the fence to keep chasing the carrot that's tied to the moving stick. Have some free baseball tickets!
BB has drawn his line in the sand thru his speeches- he wants junior manning in this contract. And not surprisingly, that's one of the Articles the Company has stopped negotiating on- the "Days Off" one.
There's no way this pilot group will ever agree to JM. They would rather continue with the old contract. So, impasse.
06-04-2015, 10:06 AM
#533
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Originally Posted by morerightrudder
I think the company has realized this, which is why they're now slowing the pace of negotiations. The most a new contract would do is keep junior FOs from bailing.
They think they will be able to staff via signing bonuses ($12K is a lot for a young CFI with flight training loans), pouring more resources into recruitment, touting their bases (live in Miami and er...Pittsburgh!), and using the "employee engagement" tactics to sway people on the fence to keep chasing the carrot that's tied to the moving stick. Have some free baseball tickets!
BB has drawn his line in the sand thru his speeches- he wants junior manning in this contract. And not surprisingly, that's one of the Articles the Company has stopped negotiating on- the "Days Off" one.
There's no way this pilot group will ever agree to JM. They would rather continue with the old contract. So, impasse.
They think they will be able to staff via signing bonuses ($12K is a lot for a young CFI with flight training loans), pouring more resources into recruitment, touting their bases (live in Miami and er...Pittsburgh!), and using the "employee engagement" tactics to sway people on the fence to keep chasing the carrot that's tied to the moving stick. Have some free baseball tickets!
BB has drawn his line in the sand thru his speeches- he wants junior manning in this contract. And not surprisingly, that's one of the Articles the Company has stopped negotiating on- the "Days Off" one.
There's no way this pilot group will ever agree to JM. They would rather continue with the old contract. So, impasse.
Let the company figure out recruitment.
On the plus side I believe Republic pilots will be the first to be absorbed by major airlines. Without flow and being wholly owned, there is nothing to stop mainlines from absorbing your entire group as quickly as they see fit to do so.
On the minus side, although it may seem hard to believe, Republic could be the first to fail. When the hiring really picks up in the next few years, I predict all regionals will eventually fail, but Republic may be one of the first. Hopefully though wholly owned carriers do not become a new rung on the ladder on the path to getting to the majors.
06-04-2015, 11:25 AM
#534
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The lack of junior manning was the biggest selling point offered by our recruiter at my interview. That's one of the most important positives of this place, as opposed to all of the negatives.
If they want to implement it.. they're going to have to pay dearly, and accept serious restrictions. Nobody will work here if the company gets unlimited, cheap, outstation based junior manning. Combined with anything less than leg-by-leg 100% cancellation pay and RJET will be toast.
If they want to implement it.. they're going to have to pay dearly, and accept serious restrictions. Nobody will work here if the company gets unlimited, cheap, outstation based junior manning. Combined with anything less than leg-by-leg 100% cancellation pay and RJET will be toast.
06-04-2015, 12:32 PM
#535
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
Having a good or great contract obviously helps address your needs and maybe will keep current pilots from leaving.
But isn't the real question how to attract new talent to RAH? I would hypothesize that a new contract, which will be industry standard at best, does nothing to get new people in the door which is desperately needed to keep RAH from shrinking.
But isn't the real question how to attract new talent to RAH? I would hypothesize that a new contract, which will be industry standard at best, does nothing to get new people in the door which is desperately needed to keep RAH from shrinking.
06-04-2015, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey
Hear, hear! Wonder which one of these outfits will be the first to be given a fair deal by their legacy bosses. When that happens, I do believe that many, many RAH FOs will be the first to bail, and no mistake.
06-04-2015, 09:41 PM
#537
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As for the whole "junior manning" argument. Why would outstation lifers care? All their trips end at 0020 in base, what could they possibly "junior man" them to?
That being said, junior manning sucks. I had it at my last airline. But "negotiating" involves just what that word means. Negotiating is not a list of demands. Give some, take some. Junior manning is not a deal breaker if the rest of the alleged TA contains significant improvements.
That being said, junior manning sucks. I had it at my last airline. But "negotiating" involves just what that word means. Negotiating is not a list of demands. Give some, take some. Junior manning is not a deal breaker if the rest of the alleged TA contains significant improvements.
06-05-2015, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by DSRoss996
As for the whole "junior manning" argument. Why would outstation lifers care? All their trips end at 0020 in base, what could they possibly "junior man" them to?
That being said, junior manning sucks. I had it at my last airline. But "negotiating" involves just what that word means. Negotiating is not a list of demands. Give some, take some. Junior manning is not a deal breaker if the rest of the alleged TA contains significant improvements.
That being said, junior manning sucks. I had it at my last airline. But "negotiating" involves just what that word means. Negotiating is not a list of demands. Give some, take some. Junior manning is not a deal breaker if the rest of the alleged TA contains significant improvements.
06-05-2015, 07:31 PM
#539
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Sounds like the company has decided to ride the storm out! After reading both the company and IBT updates I think BBs plan is to maintain his current profit margins and try to survive the next year. The bean counters have no intention of giving this pilot group anything close to a industry leading contract. Also I heard from a very reliable source RAH is gathering data to overturn certain restrictions from the 1500 hour rule. The company has a team working with several aviation universities to obtain the data. Of course this will not help to save this company, but it's cheaper than a new CBA.
06-05-2015, 08:22 PM
#540
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Junior manning would be really hard to sell...we've held it off this long.
If the latest corpcomm is worth anything, let's wait and see what happens in the next two weeks. Everyone should go to their respective base visit at the least, and more. IBT has proven they can (will?) only do so much. And that's not exactly a slight to the 357. Had high hopes for April, but let's see if they (management) can put tires to asphalt and TA the rest.
As for it going under, there's obviously the high chance that it'll be the first to go down not being wholly owned. The size of the operation is what the trouble is. Want to talk about lateral movement? Imagine what'll happen if DAL or one of the others call for breaking a contract and the ship sinks....you'll have near 3,000 pilots hitting the market. No helping it at that point.
Of course as the saying goes.... I'll believe it when my a** is seated and we're taking off, and that goes either way. Good luck to all those getting out and moving up, there's more and more every day.
If the latest corpcomm is worth anything, let's wait and see what happens in the next two weeks. Everyone should go to their respective base visit at the least, and more. IBT has proven they can (will?) only do so much. And that's not exactly a slight to the 357. Had high hopes for April, but let's see if they (management) can put tires to asphalt and TA the rest.
As for it going under, there's obviously the high chance that it'll be the first to go down not being wholly owned. The size of the operation is what the trouble is. Want to talk about lateral movement? Imagine what'll happen if DAL or one of the others call for breaking a contract and the ship sinks....you'll have near 3,000 pilots hitting the market. No helping it at that point.
Of course as the saying goes.... I'll believe it when my a** is seated and we're taking off, and that goes either way. Good luck to all those getting out and moving up, there's more and more every day.
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